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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg with gene and

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Chris we're gonna have a really

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fascinating episode and a fascinating

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guest a little later on the show but

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right now let's just talk shop a little

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bit and talk about the things that have

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been going on now over at our strange

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planet calm Chris you were reporting

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extensively about your trip to Mayan

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territory this was ahead of the

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expiration of the Mayan calendar which

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of course had no end result anything of

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import can you tell us about that trip

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well yeah it it was great to be down

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there before the craziness my brother

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and his wife have a tour service that

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does specialized

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travel packages down to the five

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countries with Maya live and they were

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down there for 2012 and it was just an

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absolute madhouse the locals down there

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gouged the tourist stuff sampled in

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price so a Diet Coke was four dollars

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yeah yeah it was ridiculous a ride to

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the airport from Cancun which is

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normally eighteen to twenty dollars was

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sixty so I'm glad I went down there

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beforehand so basically they believed

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the world was going to end so they might

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as well cash in yeah I guess you could

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say that you know it's it's interesting

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they've had a bunch of interesting

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sightings around Antigua and they

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stopped down in Guatemala interesting

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UFO activity that occurred the night of

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the 21st and in the ensuing week I'm

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doing a little bit of digging to see if

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there's anything to it the one bit of

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video I saw look like a plane coming in

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for landing whether it's landing lights

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on but evidently there's other there's

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other posts online of interesting aerial

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activity including some daylight stuff

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so I'm I'm doing a little bit of digging

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on that I find that a little curious but

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you know this Y twenty twelve K thing I

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think it's just a red herring

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it's like the ultimate trickster

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vent I think in culture I think after

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everybody sort of breezed a big sigh of

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relief that the world didn't end we're

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gonna see some really interesting things

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happen I think in July possibly into

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August and that's you know I do stay

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away from prophesizing and believing in

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my prophesizing but I have a hunch for

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some reason that we're gonna have some

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really really nefarious times here in in

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the midsummer nefarious I don't like the

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taste of that how so well that's just

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that's my my gut feeling I'm sticking to

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it it makes sense you know get everybody

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breathe in the big sigh of relief and

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then when they least expect it boom you

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mean like the fiscal cliff that never

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was yeah you know we are living the

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tenuous interesting times and I I really

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have a sense that we're headed into a

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very very intense period and in history

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and you know I have nothing to back that

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up but I do I just have that feeling

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gene kind of feel in my bones

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oh I'll tell you things are screwing

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I'll give you one example just before we

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record the show a few hours before our

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web server experience was called a

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distributed denial-of-service attack

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which is called DDoS and what that means

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is somebody will send us loads and loads

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of unwanted traffic like 30,000

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simultaneous connections to a single

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server which is like can blow up your

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server can be pretty wild and apparently

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they were trying to retrieve the same

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few episodes of the para cast dating

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from July of last year now in July of

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last year we had five guests because

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there were five Sundays James Fox

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Antonio Hannes Jim Mosely Greg Bishop

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and rosemary ellen guiley so maybe the

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Djinn were after us

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stranger things have happened I'm sure I

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thought the episode with Moseley you

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know that maybe Jim on the other side

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now he's passed on finally learn how to

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use a computer so what did you want to

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do he decided he was going to download

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one of his shows but he's not fully

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you see I'm using a personal computer

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and he bought a Windows computer not a

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Mac so we had the more complicated

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computer so he kept downloading the same

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file tens of thousands of times yeah it

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wouldn't surprise me

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although mosely on a computer I mean

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that that would be a shock but mostly

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was I still think a good guy in the end

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even though he did some pretty wacky

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things I'm kind of sad though that it

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doesn't look as if we'll ever get to see

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the final issue of saucer smear there

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was a new issue

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Jim had finished just before he went to

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the hospital

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alright and that issue was supposed to

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be mailed by either his friends or his

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daughter Elizabeth and as of now hasn't

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happened I don't know

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well we just have to hope for the best

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and give him our support and you know

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just hope for the best i I'm also sad to

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report that we lost another longtime

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researcher investigator Philip Coppins

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died of galloping angiosarcoma I mean he

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literally was diagnosed and then was

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gone passed over in a month and if it's

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one of those kind of diseases that

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really remains undetected you don't get

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any real bad symptoms until you're right

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near the end so it's not something well

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I don't feel well I'll go to the doctor

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I'll check it out by the time it's

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discovered it's too late yeah it's a

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very rare form of cancer it's I think

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it's like some sort of tumor the

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cancerous sarcoma of the blood vessels

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and I haven't heard the details about

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where where the tumor was located but

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way to you know check into a hospital

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get you know they had a problem

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diagnosing it evidently and but to be

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gone in a month I mean that's that's

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really that's really awful and you know

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our condolences go out to Philips family

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and you know I had met Philip on a

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number of occasions and we did

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correspond he interviewed me extensively

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for for a book and I really liked the

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guy he was very very smart very up to

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speed was involved in quite a variety of

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investigative work in terms of subject

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matter and

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you know I think a lot of our listeners

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are gonna miss his unique brand of

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insight of course he was featured

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prominently on ancient aliens for the

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first four seasons and he's gonna be

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missed he was a really really good guy

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he's one of the good guys

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if you check our archives of the power

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cast back on November 6th 2011 we talked

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about him and he was just a great guest

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the book that he was pushing at the time

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the ancient alien question do you

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inquiry into the existence evidence and

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influence of ancient visitors

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fascinating book Phillip Coppins he was

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what 40 years old or legalities I think

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he'd just turned 40 oh that's terrible

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you know I feel when someone like that

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dies if you think you go back to Mac

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Tony's it was in his 30s when he died

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and just at the beginning of some real

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real major work he was accomplishing you

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know he came out with that book he was

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just finishing it on the crypto

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terrestrials which was published by

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anomalous books after he passed on just

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so sad we'd lose these people you know

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when someone dies in there and their 70s

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and their 80s you celebrate their lives

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they live the long life and you say you

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know all right Jim was 81 Jim Mosely

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Patti Page died this witch she was 85

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famous singer very popular for pop and

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country flavor of music in the 60s and

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70s and she had been performing almost

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until the end the last couple of years

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when she started getting real ill but

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that kind of life you celebrate lot of

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famous people died in the past year in

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their 80s and 90s and people live longer

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nowadays and then you look at someone

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who dies in her 30s and 40s and itís

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just so Smith's really said no so I'm

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this week's episode we're back to UFOs

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again a bit of a segue Myka Hanks of the

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graylien report joins us he's got a new

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book out called the UFO singularity I

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just love the title yes it's a good book

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I've read I really I devoured it in two

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sittings so I really think Mike is on to

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in here this is gonna be a real

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interesting show he's one of the bright

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rising young stars of the field and this

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is going to be a really good show

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it's a breezy book in terms of reading

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he's a really great writer the book is

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only like 250 pages with loads and loads

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of references so book like that as you

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say you devoured in a couple of sittings

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and it's worth it and it's gonna be a

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really really fascinating show no end of

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the world stuff this week Mike I'm still

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here we're still here yes we are we have

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Micah Hanks coming up with gene and

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Chris you're in the powertest

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attack of the rocket has been

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para cast job on the para cast with Gene

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and Chris this week we're joined by

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Micah Hanks he's been on the show couple

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three times before and he always has

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something just really fascinating and

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this time we're talking about a new book

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of his called the UFO singularity and it

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goes on the possibilities are endless

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and they're already here so I'm just

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gonna ask Micah first welcome back to

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the show but that subtitle endless

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possibilities already here what do you

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mean by that it is a bit complex isn't

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it you know and the funny thing about

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that subtitle I have to say is that the

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folks at new page books they said let's

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let's not just do a typical subtitle

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let's ask some questions that that's

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more in keeping with what we're going

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for with this this this idea in other

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words let's take into consideration

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other possibilities and potentials that

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may exist in the universe around us and

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one of the things that that I like to

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say first answer your question is that

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you always hear that adage whatever the

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military has you know it's a few few

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decades ahead of us and it's it's you

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know well beyond what we hear on the

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civilian level are aware of I would

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argue that in some cases that is

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certainly the case but when you look at

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the trends that our technology is taking

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and we pair that with the idea that

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there may be certain technologies here

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in our midst already here on earth or

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the idea that the trends that technology

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are taking may help us to learn

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something about the potentials for alien

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life elsewhere in the universe and other

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varieties of different intelligences

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that may exist out there I think that it

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gives us some more dare I say a holistic

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kind of approach to studying UFOs in the

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sense that we can maybe better determine

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the different potentials that exist

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outside the conventional model of UFOs

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our alien you know extraterrestrial

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spacecraft that have traveled here from

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Zeta to Reticuli not that there's

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anything wrong with that

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there has to be some merit to that

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viewpoint for it to have you know stuck

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with us and stuck in people's minds for

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so many decades

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but I definitely think that we have to

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revise some of our old theories just as

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well and so as opposed to being the the

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historian type and endlessly chronicling

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the UFO matter from case to case and

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study to study I've tried to look at

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technology and the trends that our own

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technology appear to be taking right now

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and apply that to what we already

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observe in UFO reports and look at

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things from that perspective and that

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essentially is what we do with the UFO

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singularity okay so this is something

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I'd like to understand a little bit

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further as we progress with this episode

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that is why should our technology have

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anything to do with UFOs unless we're

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following the same path which may be a

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stretch or we are aware of what path

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they're following and that's why we're

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following this path that's a good

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question you know what I've often

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wondered is and it kind of encapsulate

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this I had a copy of National Geographic

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magazine lying around here and on the

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cover it says are we alone the subtitle

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they're searching the heavens for

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another earth that that right there says

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it says it all to me we're searching the

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heavens for another earth it was worded

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eloquently and it sounds really nice but

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in my opinion the problem with our

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conventional study of UFOs is that we

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are just looking for another earth we're

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also just looking for other earthlings

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we're not looking for really truly what

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I would consider to be exotic alien life

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we're looking for something that is

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gonna be a lot like us wouldn't that be

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a comfort factor too I mean you have

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bug-eyed aliens you have weird creatures

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that might be based on silicon

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substances of carbon that kind of thing

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that we look at that because we're more

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comfortable with aliens that are

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humanoid were used to Star Trek and Star

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Trek most of the aliens but not all of

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them were with various ridges and ears

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and other accouterments of alienness I

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don't know how I even said that word are

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actually basically like us yeah we are

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basically looking for humanoid aliens

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you know what is the potential you know

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Star Trek and Star Wars and all the

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films that have helped you know

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blissfully anthropomorphize our

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conception of alien life those are fun

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and I enjoy those and if coming back to

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your original question gene if we're

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looking for alien life and gene coming

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back to your original

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question about whether alien life and

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human technology really may have to do

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with one another if we do take into

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consideration that anthropomorphic

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element in other words if alien life

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elsewhere could be like us then

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certainly our technological trends it

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stands to reason might follow similar

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paths to our own so you know but I still

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think that it's important although the

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classic ideas of Star Trek and Star Wars

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and these you know these beings that are

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like us they're humanoids that's fun and

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that's maybe something we should take

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into consideration but we should also be

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looking at the potentials for life not

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like what we would expect to find on

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earth we shouldn't just be looking for

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other humans in the universe we should

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be looking for something similar to

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ourselves as well as the potential for

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exotic maybe even non-physical

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intelligences you know I love that I was

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loved for instance the example that

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Terence Mckenna came up with about he

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said probably the the most likely alien

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life form on the planet is the

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psilocybin mushroom they didn't have to

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do space and has been slowly working on

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us jump-starting our consciousness and

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it's actually an alien life form I've

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always loved that particular

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out-of-the-box thinking and and you're

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right Mike I think we all have this you

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know the media and the popular culture

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is front-loaded everybody with this idea

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that aliens are going to somehow be

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bipedal and and you know humanoid in

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appearance and and that they use radios

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so let's go ahead and spend millions of

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dollars looking for alien radio signals

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a lot of this to me doesn't make sense

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and I think your book does a good job

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pointing out that we really need to get

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creative in our thinking and really

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start thinking outside of the box here

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absolutely and coming back to the

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terence mckenna argument you know that's

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not something that a lot of people at

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least as it pertains to ufology you're

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going to be focusing on and I find that

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when it comes to looking at ufology we

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in and thinking outside the box you have

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to get a little cross-disciplinary with

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things you have to be able to look at

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for instance the potential that a

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non-physical intelligence may not

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utilize radio communication for purposes

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of communicating with humankind

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there could be a variety of different

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ways that humans could be reached and

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contacted by alien intelligences

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but then again our conception of what an

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alien intelligence is

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I have to change before that can that

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can occur when you look at radio

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telescopes and what they're trying to do

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they're trying to use today's technology

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to guess how aliens might communicate

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with one another and even if the signal

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is received by them it doesn't mean they

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are under any constraints to answer us

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and it doesn't mean that we would be

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able to detect those signals it's very

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possible they have ways of filtering

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them so other people like us won't

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figure out what's going on absolutely

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and then something else that they can

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take into consideration kind of along

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that same line of thought when we look

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at like archers arthur c clarke 2001 a

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space odyssey and a granted his

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technological forecast for the future

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weren't necessarily spot-on although we

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did see things that were similar to

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skype you know in video chatting and and

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things along those lines

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we weren't of course you know doing man

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moon missions or rather emissions to

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Jupiter's you know you know for our

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planets and moons and things like that

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we certainly been to the moon we haven't

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got a base up there yet but chase if

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there's no secret space program we don't

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as far as we know and again and that

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brings to mind the the thing that I

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brought up earlier is that you know

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maybe there are technologies exist in

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here that we aren't entirely aware of

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Joseph Ferrell and some of these

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researchers in there their interest in

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such things as a secret space program is

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definitely something that I take into

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consideration as well but at least in

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conventional terms we haven't traveled

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to Jupiter and beyond the infinite yet

547
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as Clarke put it and it's Kubrick of

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course I famously put it on the on the

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silver screen but what I would bring to

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mind is that you know in the the climax

551
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of the film 2001 the interaction with

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the non-human intelligence isn't a

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physical alien coming down in shaking

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hands with an astronaut hit it was

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something that was you know Christa bara

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from what we were kind of going with the

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Terence Mckenna

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argument it was something that was a

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little more almost visceral and since it

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was cited as a a psychological one in a

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sensational kind of a thing it's hit us

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at our subconscious level not our

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conscious level we got more to come the

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Hanks is the author you're with gene and

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in to the para cast let me tell you what

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you're gonna hear stuff here that you

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probably won't hear anywhere else hear

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that George Noory

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we're back on the Power casts of gene

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and Chris talking to Micah Hanks his

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book is called the UFO singularity and

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you were talking about using 2001 as an

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example another way for ET to

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communicate with us

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he doesn't just send us a radio signal

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or show up and say take me to your

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leader he approaches this on a

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subconscious level so is that the way

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maybe they communicate amongst each

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other you know that's that's been a

679
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question that's been asked a few times

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in the past you know do a lien

681
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communications occur and in in such a

682
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way and this wouldn't necessarily have

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to preclude something technological we

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often hear abductees talking about this

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nonverbal mental communication

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telepathic communication that they've

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experienced with alien beings but I

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would argue that at some point

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technology may allow functional

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telepathy and these sorts of things that

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seem so magical and supernatural to us

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today the military is already working on

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you know food testing technologies that

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one day we're not there yet as we as far

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as we know but one day these may be

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utilized for purposes of in direct

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communication with the reason I say

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indirect is we obviously don't want

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enemies to be able to just have access

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to some sort of a communication line

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that utilizes what we would call

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telepathy but the idea is for you know

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certain soldiers and certain generals to

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be able to communicate with one another

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and utilize the technology that would be

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very much like what we would consider to

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be telepathy stay which we do not

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understand let's assume now that an

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alien technology would try and harness a

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similar variety of technology and that

711
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they would utilize that to me that would

712
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be not only more plausible but they

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would utilize the technology that could

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allow direct mind-to-mind communication

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but also that that would explain a lot

716
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about why SETI programs don't seem to be

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linking us to extraterrestrial

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conversations that were able to tap into

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and over here let me ask you a question

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first before you go on okay if we're

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looking at telepathic communication and

722
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the reason I ask this is because the

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three novels my son and I wrote talk

724
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about an earth from

725
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and an alien woman communicating

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telepathically but the way we envisioned

727
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it the communication transcends time and

728
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space so there's no limitation it's not

729
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as if two minds talk to each other but

730
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they're limited by the speed of light or

731
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something so the question I would have

732
00:29:27,540 --> 00:29:25,960
here before we go on is it possible then

733
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when you have something like this

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occurring that you do not have to

735
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concern yourself about someone picking

736
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up on the transmission or can you tune

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the frequency of your mind to the

738
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frequency of your contacts mine and

739
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somebody else can't interfere or

740
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intercept that's a good question I wish

741
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:46,690
I really had the answer but you know

742
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:47,890
coming back to what I was talking about

743
00:29:52,410 --> 00:29:49,930
ideally for military purposes if the

744
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general were able to issue a command you

745
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know that was received telepathically

746
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you know by troops or you know or

747
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whoever that needs to be able to receive

748
00:30:02,400 --> 00:29:59,800
that message it would have to be in a

749
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situation where that information being

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sent along especially for tactical

751
00:30:08,550 --> 00:30:05,980
military purposes would not be able to

752
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be hacked so to speak or hijacked it

753
00:30:12,660 --> 00:30:10,090
this is the very problem we have with

754
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with secret codes utilizing a radio and

755
00:30:15,330 --> 00:30:14,080
things like that going back to the

756
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Second World War and what was the the

757
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:17,530
Enigma machine was that the one the idea

758
00:30:20,150 --> 00:30:18,850
that you know essentially they're gonna

759
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be pull out there who can hack a code

760
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cryptographers who can who can figure

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out what the enemy is talking about we

762
00:30:25,980 --> 00:30:24,880
don't want that kind of a thing and so

763
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if we're going to utilize it to let

764
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telepathic technology or what we would

765
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like into being telepathy it would have

766
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to be more efficient than what we

767
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already utilize for it to be effective

768
00:30:37,130 --> 00:30:35,200
but that potential always exists and

769
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:37,140
there's a danger inherent to that if

770
00:30:40,530 --> 00:30:39,130
extraterrestrial technology for instance

771
00:30:42,090 --> 00:30:40,540
we're utilizing something similar

772
00:30:43,590 --> 00:30:42,100
elsewhere in the universe obviously it's

773
00:30:45,540 --> 00:30:43,600
effective enough to where we haven't

774
00:30:47,220 --> 00:30:45,550
been able to hack that so to speak in

775
00:30:48,810 --> 00:30:47,230
and discern that there are others out

776
00:30:51,750 --> 00:30:48,820
there utilizing that kind of technology

777
00:30:54,030 --> 00:30:51,760
as of yet I would like to be able to

778
00:30:59,430 --> 00:30:54,040
talk to people by mental telepathy that

779
00:31:00,930 --> 00:30:59,440
would be fun well I think listeners

780
00:31:03,030 --> 00:31:00,940
though you know if I'm talking to our

781
00:31:05,130 --> 00:31:03,040
listeners telepathically think about it

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this way you don't need your radio you

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don't need to be online with our player

784
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you don't need to download a file you

785
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just say hey I'll listen to the podcast

786
00:31:15,510 --> 00:31:12,910
this week let me just to my mind to the

787
00:31:17,610 --> 00:31:15,520
proper frequency there it is I'm going

788
00:31:19,590 --> 00:31:17,620
to fast forward for the commercials boom

789
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:19,600
there I go well you know with the title

790
00:31:23,700 --> 00:31:21,610
the UFO singularity while I

791
00:31:26,310 --> 00:31:23,710
I'm actually referring to specifically

792
00:31:28,169 --> 00:31:26,320
with that title entails the the

793
00:31:30,030 --> 00:31:28,179
potential that human technology in the

794
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:30,040
future may reach a point where it

795
00:31:34,530 --> 00:31:32,290
mirrors much of the quote-unquote alien

796
00:31:37,350 --> 00:31:34,540
or UFO technology that we are capable of

797
00:31:39,930 --> 00:31:37,360
observing today in terms of the the more

798
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:39,940
popular use of the term technological

799
00:31:44,150 --> 00:31:42,610
singularity today it entails a lot of

800
00:31:46,799 --> 00:31:44,160
that sort of thing the the literal

801
00:31:48,780 --> 00:31:46,809
cybernetic or even cyborg enhancement of

802
00:31:50,220 --> 00:31:48,790
humans in the future that's one aspect

803
00:31:51,870 --> 00:31:50,230
of it it also has a lot to do with the

804
00:31:54,270 --> 00:31:51,880
potential creation of artificial

805
00:31:56,669 --> 00:31:54,280
intelligence in the future and I think

806
00:31:58,680 --> 00:31:56,679
that at some point this and this is kind

807
00:32:00,450 --> 00:31:58,690
of funny and even a bit mundane but it's

808
00:32:02,159 --> 00:32:00,460
fun to entertain such ideas what if in

809
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:02,169
the future you know wireless

810
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communication systems and things like

811
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that literally allow the download of

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audio podcasts and things like that into

813
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an individual rather than a device but

814
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you know it's gonna really change the

815
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playing field in terms of entertainment

816
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and things like that and of course there

817
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all different kinds of applications we

818
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wouldn't have to get into that in terms

819
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of what people like do to entertain

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themselves utilizing virtual technology

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essentially it's very interesting but

822
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when we look at what a lot of these

823
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futurists call transhumanism some of

824
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those potentials do exist and it very

825
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well may revolutionize not just military

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not just Aeronautics and things that we

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might lock into UFO technologies but

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also it may very well revolutionize also

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who we are and how we adapt to our

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environment whether that be for purposes

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of entertainment or you know consumption

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of food or even you know uh reproduction

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I mean there any number of potentials

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and possibilities and a lot of people

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I'll tell you guys they're not entirely

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comfortable with that notion of humanity

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taking evolution into our own hands and

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changing to that degree well and even to

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take it one step further a little

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disturbing to even contemplate the you

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know artificial intelligence becoming

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sentient to the point where the whole

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idea of artificial intelligence and that

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point where humans are going to create a

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computer intelligence or machine that

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will possibly be just exponentially more

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intelligent and then we are and and that

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brings up a lot of you know potentially

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disturbing scenarios of a view of

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humanity

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becoming almost sort of not important if

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you have you know some sort of trans

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human biological interface with machines

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or even pure artificial machine

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intelligence then then humanity may

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become almost obsolete and you do kind

857
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of address that a little bit in your

858
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book and and it does bring up some

859
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really disturbing possibilities well you

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know the risk potentials that are

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involved with the creation of artificial

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intelligence and and again to borrow

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that term singularity and apply it to as

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many futurists today use that that there

865
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is actually a singularity Institute that

866
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wrestles with these sorts of questions

867
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:18,260
like what you bring up Chris and and

868
00:34:22,900 --> 00:34:20,570
they define singularity as being

869
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literally the creation of a nonhuman

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intelligence that exceeds natural human

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intelligence artificial intelligence

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that can exceed what you or I and our

873
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brain processing powers are capable of

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now for the book I interviewed dr. Ben

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Gert Celyn and before I proceed with

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with GERD CIL's approach toward

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artificial intelligence and and

878
00:34:42,490 --> 00:34:41,270
truthfully the risks associated with it

879
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:42,500
I do want to point out that in this book

880
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I although I quote you know some of the

881
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the UFO researchers who are a little

882
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more in this line of thinking like

883
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Jacques ballet for instance I look to

884
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their work good bit but in the book

885
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primarily I try not to just go to this

886
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ufologist for this abduction researcher

887
00:35:01,990 --> 00:34:59,750
this guy or that guy I tried to actually

888
00:35:04,150 --> 00:35:02,000
go to people outside the UFO field some

889
00:35:05,290 --> 00:35:04,160
of them I told him what I was riding and

890
00:35:06,370 --> 00:35:05,300
what this book would be about and they

891
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were okay with the interview but they

892
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personally didn't feel like UFOs even

893
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fit into their research and they were a

894
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little perplexed as to why I would be

895
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asking them questions about something

896
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that seemed even partially related to

897
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UFOs the reason why is because I think

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again in terms of trying to understand

899
00:35:23,350 --> 00:35:21,920
the phenomenon utilizing the tools

900
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:23,360
available to us we don't get cross

901
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disciplinary enough we don't look

902
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elsewhere and other branches of the

903
00:35:31,270 --> 00:35:29,240
sciences for explanations in terms of

904
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:31,280
what we might be studying you know that

905
00:35:35,140 --> 00:35:33,410
ufologists often not always but often

906
00:35:36,900 --> 00:35:35,150
try to keep it in the realm of ufology

907
00:35:39,490 --> 00:35:36,910
and so i tried to look outside myself

908
00:35:41,980 --> 00:35:39,500
and in doing so it this led me to the

909
00:35:43,390 --> 00:35:41,990
research of dr. ben Gert cyl Gert cyl of

910
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:43,400
course is an artificial intelligence

911
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expert and he brings to the table a lot

912
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of different and potentially frightening

913
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scenarios although he doesn't think that

914
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really artificial intelligence is gonna

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probably be more like what we see in the

916
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Terminator films and that they're gonna

917
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consider us you know obsolete and you

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know if anything more like insects than

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than peers and then such destroy us he

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he does take a slightly more optimistic

921
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approach but he does acknowledge that

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those risks exist and also even looks at

923
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potentials for such things as the

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sentience of digitized systems as

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opposed to literally creating robots

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that are again anthropomorphic beings

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that act and behave similar to humans

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what if the web at some point on down

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the road literally becomes sentient okay

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this is Jack Raleigh are you listening

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to the podcast the gold standard of

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with gene and with Chris we have Micah

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Hanks author of the UFO singularity on

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the power cast this week

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and we're focusing on something

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fascinating here the internet a sentient

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knowing all-knowing internet we've

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infused this global network of hundreds

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and thousands or millions of computers

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with our collective knowledge so

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suddenly it takes on a life of its own

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Micah well you know that's potential I

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think it's something we certainly had to

1054
00:41:53,890 --> 00:41:51,920
take into consideration again looking to

1055
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the research of those outside the UFO

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field and in the fields of artificial

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advanced intelligences that are not

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completely unlike ours perhaps but

1059
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:01,970
there's certainly a digitized form of

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intelligence created presumably by

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humans but there's that interesting

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notion that while we have created the

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Internet at some point a system like the

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Internet a comprehensive organized

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repository of information and technology

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and data could literally spring into a

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form or a variety of consciousness so

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you may not be just like a great big

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mother brain that thinks just like you

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or I but it could certainly be that the

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internet begins to behave somewhat like

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in mind or brain some studies already

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suggest that it does in fact but it

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doesn't seem to be capable of taking

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actions and deciding on them but I refer

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to Robert Heinlein it's book the moon is

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a harsh mistress in which he noted that

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it was a supercomputer that was utilized

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on a penal colony on the moon in the

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book essentially what happened was the

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computer had been designed to

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micromanage tasks all over this this

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base on the moon so basically then the

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computer was emulating Steve Jobs

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feeding more more information into a

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gene and they kept feeding information

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kept feeding information and the premise

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that Heinlein put forth was that as they

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kept feeding information into a digital

1090
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:12,230
brain so to speak then it became

1091
00:43:16,570 --> 00:43:14,210
conscious and that at any point when an

1092
00:43:18,130 --> 00:43:16,580
information system is fed enough

1093
00:43:21,579 --> 00:43:18,140
information a form of consciousness

1094
00:43:23,710 --> 00:43:21,589
emerges as a manner of dealing with in

1095
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:23,720
micromanaging that information so you

1096
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:25,130
know the brain is arguably far more

1097
00:43:29,530 --> 00:43:27,170
complex than most computers but it is

1098
00:43:31,150 --> 00:43:29,540
not entirely unlike a computer unto

1099
00:43:32,020 --> 00:43:31,160
itself so what if one day computers

1100
00:43:34,240 --> 00:43:32,030
begin to behave like

1101
00:43:35,830 --> 00:43:34,250
it is a potential and some think that

1102
00:43:38,050 --> 00:43:35,840
the most likely potential is that the

1103
00:43:40,270 --> 00:43:38,060
Internet itself may become sort of self

1104
00:43:43,720 --> 00:43:40,280
aware or conscious at some point so we

1105
00:43:45,850 --> 00:43:43,730
have a new novel called attack of the

1106
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:45,860
internet I think it is self-aware

1107
00:43:50,170 --> 00:43:48,530
already Mike I have had that hunch for a

1108
00:43:51,970 --> 00:43:50,180
while and in my book stalking the

1109
00:43:54,190 --> 00:43:51,980
tricksters I do pose that that

1110
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:54,200
possibility that perhaps the Internet

1111
00:43:59,500 --> 00:43:56,570
has gained some level of self-awareness

1112
00:44:01,480 --> 00:43:59,510
and the first thing it would do I would

1113
00:44:04,270 --> 00:44:01,490
think is hide and what a perfect place

1114
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:04,280
for intelligence to hide but a global

1115
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:07,130
sort of network of synapses

1116
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:10,010
you know visa vie computers you know and

1117
00:44:13,510 --> 00:44:12,050
it could hide anywhere and of course it

1118
00:44:16,330 --> 00:44:13,520
wouldn't take long for it to become

1119
00:44:18,790 --> 00:44:16,340
quite proficient at playing possum what

1120
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:18,800
you're saying here Chris almost implies

1121
00:44:25,180 --> 00:44:21,650
is if something out there an outside

1122
00:44:28,300 --> 00:44:25,190
force can possess the internet and take

1123
00:44:30,850 --> 00:44:28,310
it over quietly in a way that we do not

1124
00:44:32,980 --> 00:44:30,860
discover again coming back to Michael's

1125
00:44:35,410 --> 00:44:32,990
point that that you know we're looking

1126
00:44:38,620 --> 00:44:35,420
at the potential of the emergence of

1127
00:44:41,500 --> 00:44:38,630
self-awareness and once artificial

1128
00:44:44,700 --> 00:44:41,510
intelligence becomes self-aware it is

1129
00:44:47,950 --> 00:44:44,710
going to be able to learn at just an

1130
00:44:50,430 --> 00:44:47,960
astounding and astonishing rate and that

1131
00:44:52,900 --> 00:44:50,440
brings up a lot of interesting

1132
00:44:54,730 --> 00:44:52,910
possibilities in terms of scenarios

1133
00:44:56,260 --> 00:44:54,740
which which Myka addresses in the book

1134
00:44:58,600 --> 00:44:56,270
and and one of the things that that I

1135
00:45:01,000 --> 00:44:58,610
really was I kind of forgot about Ray

1136
00:45:04,030 --> 00:45:01,010
Kurzweil and his prediction that that

1137
00:45:05,770 --> 00:45:04,040
within by the year I guess 2030 we

1138
00:45:08,710 --> 00:45:05,780
should have the emergence of the

1139
00:45:10,090 --> 00:45:08,720
technologies that will lead us to a

1140
00:45:13,030 --> 00:45:10,100
place of creating artificial

1141
00:45:15,490 --> 00:45:13,040
intelligence and and if that's the case

1142
00:45:18,310 --> 00:45:15,500
and we were we started this show out by

1143
00:45:21,310 --> 00:45:18,320
talking you know about the the level of

1144
00:45:23,890 --> 00:45:21,320
military and and let's say high

1145
00:45:26,530 --> 00:45:23,900
technology that secret generally the

1146
00:45:28,930 --> 00:45:26,540
rule of thumb is that well whatever you

1147
00:45:30,700 --> 00:45:28,940
see now has been operational for fifteen

1148
00:45:35,350 --> 00:45:30,710
to twenty years if that's the case then

1149
00:45:37,300 --> 00:45:35,360
we may already be at a point in the

1150
00:45:38,650 --> 00:45:37,310
development curve of the type of

1151
00:45:40,540 --> 00:45:38,660
technologies that would lead to

1152
00:45:42,310 --> 00:45:40,550
something like artificial intelligence

1153
00:45:44,090 --> 00:45:42,320
there you go you hit the nail on the

1154
00:45:45,860 --> 00:45:44,100
head right there and again you know

1155
00:45:48,020 --> 00:45:45,870
that's I will say that that is a pretty

1156
00:45:50,030 --> 00:45:48,030
speculative stance to take and I take

1157
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:50,040
that stance in the book and I say stated

1158
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:52,050
as such I'm not the kind of person

1159
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:54,570
though who says that speculation is just

1160
00:45:58,070 --> 00:45:56,370
bad and that we just shouldn't do it I

1161
00:45:59,210 --> 00:45:58,080
mean we have physicists to do it all the

1162
00:46:00,680 --> 00:45:59,220
time and the argument I'll make in the

1163
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:00,690
book is that well if Einstein and

1164
00:46:05,900 --> 00:46:02,610
Oppenheimer and those types hadn't been

1165
00:46:08,270 --> 00:46:05,910
allowed to employ reasoned speculate

1166
00:46:10,340 --> 00:46:08,280
speculative thought we might not have

1167
00:46:12,860 --> 00:46:10,350
the technologies available and existent

1168
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:12,870
right here in our midst today that we do

1169
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:14,610
know of and so I think that what is

1170
00:46:17,510 --> 00:46:16,050
important is that you know we can sit

1171
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:17,520
here we can rattle off all day about you

1172
00:46:20,720 --> 00:46:18,720
know this might happen or this might

1173
00:46:22,430 --> 00:46:20,730
happen but with the UFO singularity I do

1174
00:46:25,190 --> 00:46:22,440
try you know as you kind of outline

1175
00:46:27,230 --> 00:46:25,200
there Chris to employ information that

1176
00:46:30,290 --> 00:46:27,240
is available to us today and projected

1177
00:46:32,660 --> 00:46:30,300
educated guesswork in TOR in terms of

1178
00:46:34,940 --> 00:46:32,670
you know discerning where the trends may

1179
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:34,950
be leading and again although it's

1180
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:37,290
almost kind of you know just a you know

1181
00:46:41,690 --> 00:46:39,570
a saying I guess you know to use it you

1182
00:46:44,330 --> 00:46:41,700
know colloquially the the idea that the

1183
00:46:46,700 --> 00:46:44,340
the you know military and the you know

1184
00:46:49,820 --> 00:46:46,710
clandestine systems and and and you know

1185
00:46:51,230 --> 00:46:49,830
special you know intelligences and and

1186
00:46:53,270 --> 00:46:51,240
an official dome are utilizing

1187
00:46:55,130 --> 00:46:53,280
technology that maybe the mainstream

1188
00:46:57,470 --> 00:46:55,140
does not have that does seem to actually

1189
00:46:59,330 --> 00:46:57,480
be true at least to an extent

1190
00:47:01,100 --> 00:46:59,340
Kurzweil what he says is that the knee

1191
00:47:02,900 --> 00:47:01,110
of the curve this is what he calls this

1192
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:02,910
kind of point at which we're really

1193
00:47:06,980 --> 00:47:04,890
going to begin to see the the trends

1194
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:06,990
that are gonna be right directly

1195
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:09,090
preceding this so-called technological

1196
00:47:13,490 --> 00:47:11,370
singularity we get to see the signs of

1197
00:47:15,290 --> 00:47:13,500
that around the Year 2029 this is just

1198
00:47:17,450 --> 00:47:15,300
within a couple of decades and if again

1199
00:47:18,890 --> 00:47:17,460
we return to that old maxim that well

1200
00:47:21,230 --> 00:47:18,900
there may be technologies that are

1201
00:47:23,300 --> 00:47:21,240
clandestine utilized for special reasons

1202
00:47:25,190 --> 00:47:23,310
or for military reasons or other you

1203
00:47:26,660 --> 00:47:25,200
know official purposes that the

1204
00:47:28,190 --> 00:47:26,670
mainstream does not know about we very

1205
00:47:31,730 --> 00:47:28,200
well may be closer to those kinds of

1206
00:47:33,410 --> 00:47:31,740
things than many of us realize of the

1207
00:47:35,090 --> 00:47:33,420
singularity is near that would certainly

1208
00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:35,100
give us a different perspective entirely

1209
00:47:39,260 --> 00:47:36,720
on whether or not and how near that

1210
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:39,270
singularity actually is one thing I kind

1211
00:47:42,530 --> 00:47:40,970
of worry about when we talk about future

1212
00:47:44,870 --> 00:47:42,540
technology especially military

1213
00:47:46,490 --> 00:47:44,880
technology how long can we keep

1214
00:47:49,910 --> 00:47:46,500
something about a secret because there

1215
00:47:51,740 --> 00:47:49,920
are strategic advantages to having that

1216
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:51,750
technology if troops are dying in

1217
00:47:56,570 --> 00:47:54,000
Afghanistan as they are and we have a

1218
00:47:57,710 --> 00:47:56,580
way to maybe turn the odds more in our

1219
00:47:59,510 --> 00:47:57,720
favor

1220
00:48:01,040 --> 00:47:59,520
why not use it that's a good question

1221
00:48:02,900 --> 00:48:01,050
too you know I would say that some of

1222
00:48:05,510 --> 00:48:02,910
this technology obviously is being

1223
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:05,520
utilized we see this in drone reports

1224
00:48:08,660 --> 00:48:07,170
and I'm I'm pretty convinced that a lot

1225
00:48:10,670 --> 00:48:08,670
of UFO reports going on that they

1226
00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:10,680
probably have to do with unmanned aerial

1227
00:48:14,240 --> 00:48:12,480
vehicles or even man aerial vehicles

1228
00:48:16,099 --> 00:48:14,250
that you simply aren't talked about they

1229
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:16,109
may already be field tested and utilized

1230
00:48:20,750 --> 00:48:18,570
in you know conflict but we don't hear

1231
00:48:22,370 --> 00:48:20,760
about them very often how could this be

1232
00:48:23,900 --> 00:48:22,380
how would we not know about these sorts

1233
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:23,910
of things of clandestine technologies

1234
00:48:26,839 --> 00:48:25,530
were being utilized and we yet we

1235
00:48:28,670 --> 00:48:26,849
couldn't find them well for utilizing

1236
00:48:30,410 --> 00:48:28,680
anything this you know akin to a

1237
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:30,420
functional variety of cloaking

1238
00:48:34,010 --> 00:48:32,010
technology that would be one reason we

1239
00:48:36,260 --> 00:48:34,020
wouldn't be overtly aware of it and yet

1240
00:48:38,420 --> 00:48:36,270
the UFO reports do come in often these

1241
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:38,430
reports entail triangles and saucers and

1242
00:48:43,580 --> 00:48:40,050
things that capable moving quietly

1243
00:48:45,910 --> 00:48:43,590
occasionally even appearing to disappear

1244
00:48:47,870 --> 00:48:45,920
so maybe there are very covert

1245
00:48:49,580 --> 00:48:47,880
technologies that sort of shield them

1246
00:48:50,780 --> 00:48:49,590
generally from public view but there are

1247
00:48:53,150 --> 00:48:50,790
those instances where people nonetheless

1248
00:48:54,589 --> 00:48:53,160
see these things I would argue that some

1249
00:48:57,349 --> 00:48:54,599
of these things maybe are being employed

1250
00:48:58,790 --> 00:48:57,359
and that certain technologies drones and

1251
00:49:00,410 --> 00:48:58,800
the like are actually what we're seeing

1252
00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:00,420
there then there's also the argument

1253
00:49:03,829 --> 00:49:02,250
that could be made Jean coming back to

1254
00:49:05,720 --> 00:49:03,839
what you said earlier and a love I find

1255
00:49:07,490 --> 00:49:05,730
it very interesting the discussion of a

1256
00:49:09,109 --> 00:49:07,500
hidden space program whereas I think

1257
00:49:11,900 --> 00:49:09,119
rich Dolan has called it a breakaway

1258
00:49:13,550 --> 00:49:11,910
civilization if that's the case then

1259
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:13,560
these technologies are being utilized by

1260
00:49:17,900 --> 00:49:15,450
someone but maybe not for military

1261
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:17,910
purposes on a global scale and thereby

1262
00:49:21,890 --> 00:49:20,130
these are not going to be seen for use

1263
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:21,900
in you know in the battlefield for

1264
00:49:24,859 --> 00:49:23,130
instance they're gonna be kept apart

1265
00:49:26,930 --> 00:49:24,869
from that but for what purpose that's

1266
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:26,940
that's the question if we follow that

1267
00:49:31,579 --> 00:49:29,010
line of thought if we follow that I have

1268
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:31,589
thought also mica we have to consider

1269
00:49:38,060 --> 00:49:35,040
here always at what point does something

1270
00:49:39,980 --> 00:49:38,070
that's secret have to become public for

1271
00:49:41,900 --> 00:49:39,990
whatever reason we can keep it a secret

1272
00:49:45,500 --> 00:49:41,910
all the time also if there's a secret

1273
00:49:48,020 --> 00:49:45,510
space program why assume it's ours right

1274
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:48,030
exactly yeah who else might be employing

1275
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:49,890
a secret space program but I would say

1276
00:49:53,359 --> 00:49:51,810
that by virtue of being extraterrestrial

1277
00:49:54,349 --> 00:49:53,369
if they haven't and if we're following

1278
00:49:55,820 --> 00:49:54,359
that line of thought if it's

1279
00:49:57,950 --> 00:49:55,830
extraterrestrial that we want to look at

1280
00:49:59,480 --> 00:49:57,960
and I certainly don't exclude that

1281
00:50:01,099 --> 00:49:59,490
possibility a lot of people have tried

1282
00:50:02,240 --> 00:50:01,109
to say you know it's always this point

1283
00:50:03,620 --> 00:50:02,250
click thing you do an interview and

1284
00:50:05,690 --> 00:50:03,630
somebody says so you don't think any of

1285
00:50:07,700 --> 00:50:05,700
these things are alien the truth is guys

1286
00:50:10,820 --> 00:50:07,710
I don't know what they are I hate when I

1287
00:50:12,110 --> 00:50:10,830
get that that declaration put in my face

1288
00:50:14,330 --> 00:50:12,120
you've had more trouble with that

1289
00:50:16,570 --> 00:50:14,340
recently been a lot of folks Chris I

1290
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:16,580
think you're doing you're doing well

1291
00:50:20,510 --> 00:50:19,050
yeah well people say oh you're the guy

1292
00:50:22,430 --> 00:50:20,520
that believes in aliens I said well wait

1293
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:22,440
a minute I think we're more alien than

1294
00:50:25,820 --> 00:50:23,850
they are they're probably more

1295
00:50:27,020 --> 00:50:25,830
terrestrial than we are yeah well you

1296
00:50:28,340 --> 00:50:27,030
know and there's always that night I

1297
00:50:29,780 --> 00:50:28,350
don't know that I could endorse this

1298
00:50:32,030 --> 00:50:29,790
theory but it's been put forth in the

1299
00:50:34,430 --> 00:50:32,040
past that maybe some UFO phenomenon or a

1300
00:50:36,140 --> 00:50:34,440
secret space program could be somehow

1301
00:50:38,780 --> 00:50:36,150
related to terrestrials that are

1302
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:38,790
non-human a clandestine non terrestrial

1303
00:50:42,260 --> 00:50:40,770
presence that may be from right here on

1304
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:42,270
earth all I'll say about that

1305
00:50:46,370 --> 00:50:44,010
without further entertaining that notion

1306
00:50:48,110 --> 00:50:46,380
is that the theories and the stories

1307
00:50:49,910 --> 00:50:48,120
from the Cold War era of the Quackers

1308
00:50:51,140 --> 00:50:49,920
always we're interesting to me the

1309
00:50:53,150 --> 00:50:51,150
Russians talking about hearing these

1310
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:53,160
strange sonar bleeps and bloops that

1311
00:50:56,300 --> 00:50:54,690
appeared to be some sort of objects that

1312
00:50:58,910 --> 00:50:56,310
could move incredibly quickly they would

1313
00:51:01,100 --> 00:50:58,920
saw often circle and follow and entail

1314
00:51:02,540 --> 00:51:01,110
the submarines as they would move about

1315
00:51:04,430 --> 00:51:02,550
the you know the depths of the ocean

1316
00:51:06,110 --> 00:51:04,440
these things didn't appear to be the

1317
00:51:08,210 --> 00:51:06,120
movement that would be consistent the

1318
00:51:10,310 --> 00:51:08,220
kind of movement especially in terms of

1319
00:51:12,410 --> 00:51:10,320
speed that should be consistent with the

1320
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:12,420
movement of a physical biological being

1321
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:14,850
or you know an animal they obviously

1322
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:17,010
didn't seem to be anything but something

1323
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:19,050
that was technological and also under

1324
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:21,210
intelligent control but if the Russians

1325
00:51:24,590 --> 00:51:22,770
didn't have that technology it appears

1326
00:51:27,410 --> 00:51:24,600
that the Americans didn't either who did

1327
00:51:29,240 --> 00:51:27,420
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1357
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the liberties of the people than a

1358
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standing army today understand I'm

1359
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placing a free silver dollar in a book

1360
00:52:42,839 --> 00:52:39,400
that explains our monetary system call

1361
00:52:46,049 --> 00:52:42,849
for your copy 800 686 to 237 it's time

1362
00:52:49,849 --> 00:52:46,059
to understand the system call 866 to 237

1363
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1364
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1365
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welcome back to the para cast the gold

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1389
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:12,620
here's Jean Steinberg so do we have

1390
00:54:17,750 --> 00:54:15,330
crypto terrestrials of course that was

1391
00:54:19,430 --> 00:54:17,760
the subject of the late Mac Tony's book

1392
00:54:21,860 --> 00:54:19,440
that we talked about we've talked about

1393
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:21,870
over the years DeRose heroes under earth

1394
00:54:26,450 --> 00:54:24,570
creatures all these legends indicating

1395
00:54:28,910 --> 00:54:26,460
there's another race amongst us that

1396
00:54:30,890 --> 00:54:28,920
stays hidden most of the time but the

1397
00:54:33,710 --> 00:54:30,900
question I have for Micah Hanks author

1398
00:54:37,250 --> 00:54:33,720
of UFO singularity on the para cast this

1399
00:54:39,230 --> 00:54:37,260
week is if we have this other race are

1400
00:54:41,420 --> 00:54:39,240
they really hidden from our authorities

1401
00:54:41,720 --> 00:54:41,430
are they possibly aware of who or what

1402
00:54:44,660 --> 00:54:41,730
they are

1403
00:54:47,390 --> 00:54:44,670
well when we look at ufology there are

1404
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:47,400
two perspectives that ufologists tend to

1405
00:54:51,050 --> 00:54:49,890
tend to take I tend to take the first

1406
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:51,060
that I'm going to put forth which is

1407
00:54:56,330 --> 00:54:53,850
that if there is something going on our

1408
00:54:58,280 --> 00:54:56,340
governments may not know all that much

1409
00:54:59,990 --> 00:54:58,290
more about it than civilian researchers

1410
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:00,000
in some instances not every case but in

1411
00:55:03,650 --> 00:55:01,290
some instances I think that civilian

1412
00:55:05,570 --> 00:55:03,660
researchers like us may have a little

1413
00:55:06,650 --> 00:55:05,580
more information than government bodies

1414
00:55:09,260 --> 00:55:06,660
because you've got to keep in mind that

1415
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:09,270
much like scientific academic yeah many

1416
00:55:13,310 --> 00:55:11,130
of the the branches of government are

1417
00:55:15,470 --> 00:55:13,320
very focused and very they almost have a

1418
00:55:17,210 --> 00:55:15,480
variety of tunnel vision in the sense

1419
00:55:19,430 --> 00:55:17,220
that they have what is important to them

1420
00:55:22,370 --> 00:55:19,440
a by virtue of what branch of government

1421
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:22,380
they are and what you know tasks they

1422
00:55:25,610 --> 00:55:23,850
uphold if it's the Air Force or if it's

1423
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:25,620
the military or if it's you know the

1424
00:55:28,850 --> 00:55:27,450
Department of this or that so not

1425
00:55:30,860 --> 00:55:28,860
everybody in government is going to be

1426
00:55:33,410 --> 00:55:30,870
you know a conspirator or in a grand

1427
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:33,420
dark conspiracy that is intended to a

1428
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:36,450
cover-up a UFO human interaction of some

1429
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:38,490
sort some of them maybe but in a lot of

1430
00:55:41,510 --> 00:55:39,810
instances because of that I think

1431
00:55:43,220 --> 00:55:41,520
civilian researchers may have access to

1432
00:55:44,930 --> 00:55:43,230
information and may be more interested

1433
00:55:47,990 --> 00:55:44,940
in following that line of thought and

1434
00:55:49,430 --> 00:55:48,000
those in those areas of study then

1435
00:55:51,380 --> 00:55:49,440
branches of government now if there are

1436
00:55:52,850 --> 00:55:51,390
branches of government involved and that

1437
00:55:55,340 --> 00:55:52,860
information is being suppressed that is

1438
00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:55,350
disclosure the realm of discussion which

1439
00:55:58,850 --> 00:55:57,450
is point to I don't necessarily think

1440
00:56:00,590 --> 00:55:58,860
that it's impossible that information is

1441
00:56:01,910 --> 00:56:00,600
being kept it obviously some information

1442
00:56:04,010 --> 00:56:01,920
is kept from the public pertaining to

1443
00:56:05,390 --> 00:56:04,020
UFOs or else we wouldn't have classified

1444
00:56:07,220 --> 00:56:05,400
files and things that over time we're

1445
00:56:08,510 --> 00:56:07,230
being released but I do feel that the

1446
00:56:10,250 --> 00:56:08,520
disclosure argument

1447
00:56:11,810 --> 00:56:10,260
has more to do with an ongoing process

1448
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:11,820
that we are in the midst of through

1449
00:56:15,140 --> 00:56:13,170
Freedom of Information and of course

1450
00:56:16,700 --> 00:56:15,150
also just general awareness of the

1451
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:16,710
public of the obvious presence of

1452
00:56:20,180 --> 00:56:18,330
something in our midst whatever these

1453
00:56:21,770 --> 00:56:20,190
UFOs are but if there were anything

1454
00:56:23,660 --> 00:56:21,780
along the lines of that dare Otero

1455
00:56:26,270 --> 00:56:23,670
shaver mystery hidden Earth Krypton

1456
00:56:27,830 --> 00:56:26,280
terrestrial scenario going on with that

1457
00:56:29,390 --> 00:56:27,840
information being suppressed I would ask

1458
00:56:31,130 --> 00:56:29,400
this how would that be any different

1459
00:56:32,780 --> 00:56:31,140
from extraterrestrials visiting and if

1460
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:32,790
there's any kind of a danger potential

1461
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:34,170
in terms of the public knowing about it

1462
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:36,210
as perceived by government sure that

1463
00:56:41,270 --> 00:56:37,290
would absolutely be kept under wraps

1464
00:56:42,740 --> 00:56:41,280
yeah and I agree with that and also you

1465
00:56:46,100 --> 00:56:42,750
know when you look at that this whole

1466
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:46,110
idea of extraterrestrials visiting earth

1467
00:56:51,020 --> 00:56:48,450
and the way that this is sort of

1468
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:51,030
co-opted creative thinking around the

1469
00:56:54,620 --> 00:56:52,770
subject it's really refreshing might

1470
00:56:57,110 --> 00:56:54,630
good to see someone like yourself like a

1471
00:56:57,740 --> 00:56:57,120
Mack tow neighs Greg bishop but Nick

1472
00:57:00,290 --> 00:56:57,750
Redfern

1473
00:57:03,050 --> 00:57:00,300
people who are willing to look at what

1474
00:57:05,420 --> 00:57:03,060
we know and then see what where this

1475
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:05,430
information is possibly leading I think

1476
00:57:10,370 --> 00:57:07,890
the culture has has done a very

1477
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:10,380
effective job of sort of front-loading

1478
00:57:14,540 --> 00:57:13,170
everybody with this this idea that we're

1479
00:57:16,190 --> 00:57:14,550
important enough for anything out there

1480
00:57:18,890 --> 00:57:16,200
to come visit this Violet primitive

1481
00:57:21,170 --> 00:57:18,900
place I think when it comes down to the

1482
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:21,180
actual level of technology that the

1483
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:23,610
military may have access to or is

1484
00:57:27,100 --> 00:57:24,330
utilizing

1485
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:27,110
I personally saw a large cargo plane

1486
00:57:31,910 --> 00:57:30,090
blink out I had binoculars on it there

1487
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:31,920
was not a cloud in the sky and it

1488
00:57:36,140 --> 00:57:33,690
blinked out in about five seconds later

1489
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:36,150
it's like somebody put us the CD on

1490
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:39,330
pause the sound stock so you know we

1491
00:57:44,930 --> 00:57:42,090
haven't seen that personally I'm pretty

1492
00:57:47,150 --> 00:57:44,940
sure that we do have exotic technologies

1493
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:47,160
that have not been revealed to the

1494
00:57:51,940 --> 00:57:48,930
public that are being utilized and I

1495
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:51,950
think there may be a lot more to that

1496
00:57:57,860 --> 00:57:55,170
particular subject than most people you

1497
00:57:59,780 --> 00:57:57,870
know would even begin to believe and if

1498
00:58:01,610 --> 00:57:59,790
that's the case getting back to it jeans

1499
00:58:04,550 --> 00:58:01,620
point well why don't we use this

1500
00:58:06,620 --> 00:58:04,560
technology well if we're already at the

1501
00:58:08,330 --> 00:58:06,630
most powerful military by exponentially

1502
00:58:09,860 --> 00:58:08,340
but you know we spent more money on our

1503
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:09,870
military than practically the rest of

1504
00:58:13,970 --> 00:58:10,650
the world combined

1505
00:58:16,310 --> 00:58:13,980
why dip into your bag of tricks and

1506
00:58:17,750 --> 00:58:16,320
maybe reveal the ace in the hole or the

1507
00:58:20,450 --> 00:58:17,760
aces in the hole when you don't really

1508
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:20,460
need to do that so the argument that

1509
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:21,690
some people put

1510
00:58:25,310 --> 00:58:23,730
worth it well if we had that technology

1511
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:25,320
of course we would we would use it well

1512
00:58:30,830 --> 00:58:28,170
not necessarily so you know I think that

1513
00:58:33,350 --> 00:58:30,840
this is again this is a you know a whole

1514
00:58:35,110 --> 00:58:33,360
area of inquiry and creative thinking

1515
00:58:37,250 --> 00:58:35,120
that I think more attention needs to be

1516
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:37,260
brought to this particular line of

1517
00:58:41,780 --> 00:58:39,090
thought what are your thoughts on that

1518
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:41,790
you know I think that what we have to

1519
00:58:45,380 --> 00:58:43,170
take into consideration like you said

1520
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:45,390
and actually coming back to drones I

1521
00:58:50,030 --> 00:58:47,730
mean I've seen things that to me could

1522
00:58:51,950 --> 00:58:50,040
only be described as a small aircraft

1523
00:58:54,020 --> 00:58:51,960
they resemble an airplane but they're

1524
00:58:56,030 --> 00:58:54,030
not traveling at the speed that you

1525
00:58:57,830 --> 00:58:56,040
would expect of a commercial airliner in

1526
00:58:59,060 --> 00:58:57,840
those instances when I see something

1527
00:59:01,370 --> 00:58:59,070
that looks like it was designed by

1528
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:01,380
humans design a to be seen ie

1529
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:03,090
it's eliminated with white and red

1530
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:04,890
lights and sometimes blinking lights

1531
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:07,650
hello Here I am check me out I'm flying

1532
00:59:11,150 --> 00:59:09,090
overhead you know some of these things

1533
00:59:13,610 --> 00:59:11,160
that you know we see from time to time

1534
00:59:14,630 --> 00:59:13,620
and a few sparing instances I've even

1535
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:14,640
witnessed myself

1536
00:59:18,980 --> 00:59:16,650
they obviously appear to be designed to

1537
00:59:21,260 --> 00:59:18,990
be seen for safety purposes you know or

1538
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:21,270
crew conform with FAA standards and the

1539
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:23,130
like and yet we don't have an

1540
00:59:28,070 --> 00:59:25,770
explanation as to what precisely some of

1541
00:59:30,020 --> 00:59:28,080
these crafts are I had a friend recently

1542
00:59:31,820 --> 00:59:30,030
who had called me excitedly she lives in

1543
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:31,830
Greenville South Carolina and just

1544
00:59:34,790 --> 00:59:33,450
drifting over her house very slowly she

1545
00:59:37,130 --> 00:59:34,800
said that she had seen what she

1546
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:37,140
described as a large Delta shaped craft

1547
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:39,570
and then a small triangle moving in very

1548
00:59:43,580 --> 00:59:41,610
quickly or rather not quickly but

1549
00:59:45,710 --> 00:59:43,590
closely behind the two craft were

1550
00:59:46,910 --> 00:59:45,720
actually traveling fairly slowly she

1551
00:59:48,890 --> 00:59:46,920
said that there was a kind of a low

1552
00:59:50,630 --> 00:59:48,900
whirring noise that they were making and

1553
00:59:52,130 --> 00:59:50,640
that was the only audible sound there

1554
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:52,140
was no you know propeller sounds or

1555
00:59:54,860 --> 00:59:53,610
engine sounds she said that they were

1556
00:59:57,500 --> 00:59:54,870
illuminated with red and white lines

1557
01:00:00,350 --> 00:59:57,510
which those kinds of colorations do

1558
01:00:01,550 --> 01:00:00,360
conform to that to the general standards

1559
01:00:03,860 --> 01:00:01,560
for you know what what conventional

1560
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:03,870
aircraft can have blue on the other hand

1561
01:00:08,060 --> 01:00:05,250
you can see a lot of that red green and

1562
01:00:10,370 --> 01:00:08,070
white you will so these crafts were not

1563
01:00:11,780 --> 01:00:10,380
they didn't they didn't appear to you

1564
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:11,790
know be something that was designed to

1565
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:15,570
not conform to you know FAA standards

1566
01:00:19,670 --> 01:00:17,610
and yet she couldn't define what these

1567
01:00:21,140 --> 01:00:19,680
things were they were moving slowly she

1568
01:00:22,940 --> 01:00:21,150
called the local Greenville Spartanburg

1569
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:22,950
Airport and asked about any kind of

1570
01:00:26,030 --> 01:00:24,210
aircraft that may have been in the area

1571
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:26,040
at the time couldn't get an explanation

1572
01:00:29,450 --> 01:00:27,810
they said that they couldn't even

1573
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:29,460
confirm that there had been any kind of

1574
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:31,170
large aircraft traveling along that

1575
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:32,970
trajectory and at that time of the

1576
01:00:35,750 --> 01:00:34,530
evening but she and her husband very

1577
01:00:38,030 --> 01:00:35,760
clearly saw these

1578
01:00:39,490 --> 01:00:38,040
Crafton and furthermore my friend's

1579
01:00:41,870 --> 01:00:39,500
husband is something of an amateur

1580
01:00:43,730 --> 01:00:41,880
aviation enthusiast and he knows all the

1581
01:00:45,130 --> 01:00:43,740
aircraft does she put it to me as a

1582
01:00:47,420 --> 01:00:45,140
matter of fact he loves to fly

1583
01:00:50,150 --> 01:00:47,430
remote-controlled aircraft and things

1584
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:50,160
like that himself and he said he she

1585
01:00:52,580 --> 01:00:51,090
told me that he stood there watching

1586
01:00:53,750 --> 01:00:52,590
these things as they drifted overhead

1587
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:53,760
just saying that couldn't be this

1588
01:00:58,010 --> 01:00:55,770
couldn't be that I just don't know what

1589
01:00:59,690 --> 01:00:58,020
that is sometimes these things do appear

1590
01:01:00,980 --> 01:00:59,700
maybe they are serving some sort of a

1591
01:01:03,530 --> 01:01:00,990
purpose though and I think that really

1592
01:01:04,820 --> 01:01:03,540
in terms of why they may be there we can

1593
01:01:05,990 --> 01:01:04,830
we can certainly acknowledge their

1594
01:01:08,450 --> 01:01:06,000
presence and that they appear to be

1595
01:01:09,620 --> 01:01:08,460
designed in accordance with the kinds of

1596
01:01:11,900 --> 01:01:09,630
things that humans would design these

1597
01:01:13,670 --> 01:01:11,910
aircraft you know the this the same

1598
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:13,680
terms and conditions but as to what

1599
01:01:17,420 --> 01:01:15,210
service they or what purpose they do

1600
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:17,430
serve I've been laughed at for saying

1601
01:01:20,420 --> 01:01:19,050
this but you know if we were to revert

1602
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:20,430
to a patriotic stance there are

1603
01:01:25,550 --> 01:01:23,250
legitimate reasons at times why certain

1604
01:01:27,410 --> 01:01:25,560
technology should be kept a bit

1605
01:01:28,790 --> 01:01:27,420
secretive you know for National Defense

1606
01:01:29,870 --> 01:01:28,800
purpose isn't the like you know this

1607
01:01:31,850 --> 01:01:29,880
goes all the way back to the Second

1608
01:01:33,230 --> 01:01:31,860
World War loose lips sink ships and that

1609
01:01:36,170 --> 01:01:33,240
sort of a thing I don't think that there

1610
01:01:38,750 --> 01:01:36,180
needs to be overt uncontrolled and

1611
01:01:39,950 --> 01:01:38,760
unreasonable secrecy in government but

1612
01:01:41,690 --> 01:01:39,960
there are times I think that for

1613
01:01:43,250 --> 01:01:41,700
national security reasons maybe some of

1614
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:43,260
these aircraft you know they should be

1615
01:01:47,390 --> 01:01:44,970
able to be operating a little bit more

1616
01:01:49,070 --> 01:01:47,400
secretive than others now one thing that

1617
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:49,080
you kind of hinted on earlier in our

1618
01:01:54,710 --> 01:01:51,810
discussions is about the fact that maybe

1619
01:01:56,090 --> 01:01:54,720
we who cover UFO and paranormal subjects

1620
01:01:59,000 --> 01:01:56,100
sometimes know more in the government

1621
01:02:00,560 --> 01:01:59,010
doesn't that invite scrutiny from people

1622
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:00,570
within the government if that's true

1623
01:02:05,180 --> 01:02:02,370
of course it does because I think that

1624
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really for me if someone wanted ask me

1625
01:02:08,210 --> 01:02:06,540
what is it that you do I'd like to say

1626
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:08,220
I'm either a philosopher or a culturist

1627
01:02:12,980 --> 01:02:11,010
more than a UFO researcher I certainly

1628
01:02:15,590 --> 01:02:12,990
am interested in UFOs but I see that

1629
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:15,600
people's perception colors so much and

1630
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:17,850
therefore culture and and and philosophy

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really you know what the senses can tell

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01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:21,300
us are two things that are very

1633
01:02:24,740 --> 01:02:23,370
interesting to me I think and I don't

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01:02:26,450 --> 01:02:24,750
want to make a general statement here

1635
01:02:28,460 --> 01:02:26,460
but I think that often people who are

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01:02:30,500 --> 01:02:28,470
civilian researchers and especially

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01:02:31,610 --> 01:02:30,510
those who may not have doctorates or MDS

1638
01:02:33,740 --> 01:02:31,620
you know and this or that and they

1639
01:02:35,900 --> 01:02:33,750
aren't employing you know various

1640
01:02:38,300 --> 01:02:35,910
background in the sciences in their

1641
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:38,310
interest in UFO research I think anybody

1642
01:02:41,030 --> 01:02:39,330
can go out there and be a reporter

1643
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:41,040
collect the details put forth the data

1644
01:02:44,990 --> 01:02:43,290
ask questions but you know when we have

1645
01:02:46,340 --> 01:02:45,000
untrained people out there who are

1646
01:02:48,110 --> 01:02:46,350
studying something that appears to be

1647
01:02:49,790 --> 01:02:48,120
technological and thereby should warrant

1648
01:02:51,590 --> 01:02:49,800
some scientific inquiry

1649
01:02:53,510 --> 01:02:51,600
sure I think it's it's it's only natural

1650
01:02:55,130 --> 01:02:53,520
that officialdom might kind of poopoo

1651
01:02:56,180 --> 01:02:55,140
that kind of activity and I'm sure that

1652
01:02:57,920 --> 01:02:56,190
there are people although I'm

1653
01:02:59,660 --> 01:02:57,930
occasionally contacted after interviews

1654
01:03:01,730 --> 01:02:59,670
and things by people who have often

1655
01:03:03,650 --> 01:03:01,740
retired from service and they're very

1656
01:03:04,850 --> 01:03:03,660
interested in my own research I think

1657
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there are a lot more of them out there

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that probably hear a guy like me talking

1659
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about this and saying that idiot doesn't

1660
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know what he's talking about but what I

1661
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mean when I say that some civilian

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information may be capable of garnering

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information and truths that you know an

1664
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official branch of government might not

1665
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is again look at Project Blue Book for

1666
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instance you know there were so many

1667
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reports that were coming in about UFO

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reports and sightings and a lot of them

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were completely discounted or they would

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just note the the time and the date and

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then they wouldn't do anything else with

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it they would claim that they couldn't

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yeah

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we have Micah Hanks author of UFO

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para cast comm with Micah Hanks on the

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para cast with Gene and Chris let me

1783
01:08:18,959 --> 01:08:16,630
close our last segment he was talking

1784
01:08:20,130 --> 01:08:18,969
about the fact that with say with

1785
01:08:22,470 --> 01:08:20,140
Project Blue Book

1786
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:22,480
instead of doing like researcher just

1787
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:24,489
catalog UFO cases wouldn't go any

1788
01:08:29,610 --> 01:08:26,890
further but doesn't that also enhance

1789
01:08:32,700 --> 01:08:29,620
the belief on the part of some that

1790
01:08:35,579 --> 01:08:32,710
Project Blue Book was largely just a

1791
01:08:39,090 --> 01:08:35,589
public relations outfit they did very

1792
01:08:40,769 --> 01:08:39,100
little real investigation I would not

1793
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:40,779
disagree with that statement let me come

1794
01:08:43,229 --> 01:08:42,250
back to the first point and then we'll

1795
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:43,239
jump into that because that's an

1796
01:08:46,709 --> 01:08:45,130
important key to understanding really

1797
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the nature of government inquiry into

1798
01:08:51,269 --> 01:08:48,850
these kinds of things when we look at

1799
01:08:53,340 --> 01:08:51,279
the way that the Air Force handled UFO

1800
01:08:55,530 --> 01:08:53,350
reports although they did employ those

1801
01:08:57,209 --> 01:08:55,540
like J Allen Hynek you know people who

1802
01:08:59,550 --> 01:08:57,219
has scientific background to help them

1803
01:09:01,200 --> 01:08:59,560
and to advise them the Air Force and

1804
01:09:03,420 --> 01:09:01,210
this is something that that ruppelt

1805
01:09:05,099 --> 01:09:03,430
often you know was concerned with and

1806
01:09:06,329 --> 01:09:05,109
spoke out about in his in his writings

1807
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:06,339
and others did Hynek did just as well

1808
01:09:10,769 --> 01:09:09,370
the Air Force was the the organization

1809
01:09:12,450 --> 01:09:10,779
that was tasked essentially with looking

1810
01:09:14,190 --> 01:09:12,460
at these things why because UFOs fly

1811
01:09:16,519 --> 01:09:14,200
through the air the intention was to

1812
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:16,529
discern whether there was a security

1813
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:19,330
threat the national security threat is

1814
01:09:23,610 --> 01:09:21,130
being imposed by the presence of these

1815
01:09:25,289 --> 01:09:23,620
objects these UFOs and furthermore to

1816
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:25,299
determine if there was any validity to

1817
01:09:28,979 --> 01:09:26,770
the reports and that they weren't just

1818
01:09:30,510 --> 01:09:28,989
in a misidentification of this or that

1819
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:30,520
you know of weather balloons and

1820
01:09:35,789 --> 01:09:33,130
different things so I think that in at

1821
01:09:37,769 --> 01:09:35,799
certain times the Air Force seemed to be

1822
01:09:40,709 --> 01:09:37,779
uninterested or didn't seem to handle

1823
01:09:42,749 --> 01:09:40,719
the inquiry into these sightings and

1824
01:09:45,090 --> 01:09:42,759
reports because they may have literally

1825
01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:45,100
felt or literally were you know less

1826
01:09:48,990 --> 01:09:47,410
than well equipped to do so they weren't

1827
01:09:50,729 --> 01:09:49,000
armed with scientists and cosmologists

1828
01:09:51,660 --> 01:09:50,739
and people these were Air Force officers

1829
01:09:53,220 --> 01:09:51,670
who were out there and they were trying

1830
01:09:54,390 --> 01:09:53,230
to gather information and take

1831
01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:54,400
photographs and destroying information

1832
01:09:57,630 --> 01:09:55,810
and every now and then again employ

1833
01:09:59,100 --> 01:09:57,640
scientists who might be able to advise

1834
01:10:00,810 --> 01:09:59,110
them on these matters but it wasn't

1835
01:10:02,010 --> 01:10:00,820
really a comprehensive study and yet

1836
01:10:03,260 --> 01:10:02,020
people looking back at Project Blue Book

1837
01:10:06,170 --> 01:10:03,270
and say here we are the

1838
01:10:07,820 --> 01:10:06,180
Phin ative scientific evidence for or

1839
01:10:09,290 --> 01:10:07,830
against ufos that wasn't necessarily

1840
01:10:10,610 --> 01:10:09,300
what it always was often it was just

1841
01:10:12,710 --> 01:10:10,620
people like you or i gathering

1842
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:12,720
information processing that information

1843
01:10:15,410 --> 01:10:13,770
and doing very little with it

1844
01:10:17,330 --> 01:10:15,420
the second point when we talk about

1845
01:10:19,610 --> 01:10:17,340
project Bluebook being essentially a you

1846
01:10:21,290 --> 01:10:19,620
know a public relations campaign that

1847
01:10:22,580 --> 01:10:21,300
was certainly the case just as well we

1848
01:10:24,350 --> 01:10:22,590
wanted to look like we were handling the

1849
01:10:26,390 --> 01:10:24,360
UFO problem we didn't want to look like

1850
01:10:27,590 --> 01:10:26,400
we were treating it too seriously we

1851
01:10:28,790 --> 01:10:27,600
didn't want to disturb people and make

1852
01:10:30,500 --> 01:10:28,800
it seem like it was a threat if it

1853
01:10:32,450 --> 01:10:30,510
weren't and then we have the Condon

1854
01:10:34,940 --> 01:10:32,460
committee which was just absolutely

1855
01:10:36,770 --> 01:10:34,950
hilarious to me because there was that

1856
01:10:38,420 --> 01:10:36,780
the the infamous I talk about this in

1857
01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:38,430
the UFO singularity in fact what was

1858
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:41,130
referred to as the low memorandum Robert

1859
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:42,930
Lowe one of the gentlemen who was on the

1860
01:10:45,770 --> 01:10:44,250
the Condon committee had actually

1861
01:10:47,570 --> 01:10:45,780
written a memo it wasn't supposed to be

1862
01:10:49,100 --> 01:10:47,580
released publicly but it later was and

1863
01:10:50,780 --> 01:10:49,110
it was brought to my attention through

1864
01:10:52,580 --> 01:10:50,790
reading the work of Arthur Koestler

1865
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:52,590
his book Jana see it actually included

1866
01:10:55,850 --> 01:10:54,330
an essay and one of the printings of

1867
01:10:57,950 --> 01:10:55,860
that book that was called UFOs a

1868
01:10:59,510 --> 01:10:57,960
carnival of absurdity and he talked

1869
01:11:01,370 --> 01:10:59,520
about the low memorandum and how it had

1870
01:11:03,500 --> 01:11:01,380
actually said I think that the key here

1871
01:11:05,210 --> 01:11:03,510
with the Condon committee and the the

1872
01:11:07,610 --> 01:11:05,220
University of Colorado's official

1873
01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:07,620
scientific inquiry into UFOs is to make

1874
01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:09,090
it look like we're a bunch of scientists

1875
01:11:11,870 --> 01:11:10,050
that don't believe there's anything

1876
01:11:13,550 --> 01:11:11,880
going on anyway we present this

1877
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:13,560
information as maybe being something

1878
01:11:15,830 --> 01:11:14,970
worth studying and then we try and

1879
01:11:17,870 --> 01:11:15,840
suggest that there should be

1880
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:17,880
psychological evaluations done here and

1881
01:11:20,870 --> 01:11:19,050
there some of the witnesses and

1882
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:20,880
essentially we come across looking like

1883
01:11:23,780 --> 01:11:22,410
a bunch of scientists who are at least

1884
01:11:26,060 --> 01:11:23,790
half heartedly trying to take this

1885
01:11:27,890 --> 01:11:26,070
seriously but you know not expecting any

1886
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:27,900
results and it seems that from the very

1887
01:11:31,480 --> 01:11:30,210
GetGo for whatever reason the scientists

1888
01:11:33,350 --> 01:11:31,490
that were tasked with looking

1889
01:11:35,480 --> 01:11:33,360
academically and scientifically at the

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UFO enigma they weren't taking it very

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seriously were they told not to were

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they attempting to present UFOs is

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seeming absurd more absurd than they

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actually were who knows we could

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speculate all day but it clearly we see

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that there's indeed a lot of there were

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a lot of hijinks involved with the

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project Bluebook and more specifically

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the Condon committee that followed

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thereafter

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well privately before the study even was

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really underway had already privately

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asserted that there was nothing to this

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and that they were going to prove that

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and uh yeah that to me is not how you

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how you do research and not how you

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investigate a true mystery but this is

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01:12:14,500 --> 01:12:11,580
an important point to make because I

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often call myself a skeptic and it

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the reason I say that is because I'm not

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someone who doesn't believe I'm a person

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who says okay show me evidence give me

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facts yes there is room for reasonable

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speculation in determining what those

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facts may present what the the

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information provided could entail but I

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think that the problem is that we have

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this again a cultural argument about

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belief versus skepticism the believers

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they don't care how saini it is if it's

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George Adamski talking with space

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brothers or if it's you know somebody

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you know having love relations with a

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reptilian in their bedroom every night

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they're gonna go into this with an

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attitude of I believe and if you tell me

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however weird it is I'm gonna buy it and

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the reason why is because they wanted to

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disassociate themselves from what they

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perceive as being you know kind of an

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academic world that poo-poos that idea

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that really tries to dissuade public

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opinion regarding UFOs and strange

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phenomena where is on the other extreme

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we have essentially the same thing but

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from a different cultural perspective

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we've got people who call themselves and

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proudly so debunkers they're not just

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skeptics they're people who go into this

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with a belief in the non-existence of a

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phenomenon and they intend from the

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01:13:25,540 --> 01:13:24,110
get-go to merely debunk and no matter

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01:13:27,430 --> 01:13:25,550
what they have to do to present evidence

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01:13:29,650 --> 01:13:27,440
you know Philip J class was a champ at

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01:13:32,290 --> 01:13:29,660
this he would he would overlook find

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01:13:34,540 --> 01:13:32,300
examples of legitimate unexplained

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01:13:36,130 --> 01:13:34,550
anomalous activity and he would work his

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01:13:38,830 --> 01:13:36,140
way around utilizing you know sometimes

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01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:38,840
age-old studies and science that was way

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01:13:42,790 --> 01:13:40,970
outdated for purposes of illustrating

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01:13:45,100 --> 01:13:42,800
his own skeptical viewpoints so where

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01:13:46,630 --> 01:13:45,110
can we find common ground guys and and

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01:13:48,610 --> 01:13:46,640
what I think is again an errantly a

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01:13:50,260 --> 01:13:48,620
skeptical stance in the center where we

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01:13:52,030 --> 01:13:50,270
say we don't have to believe or you

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don't have to believe in this belief we

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01:13:56,290 --> 01:13:53,450
just have to come in and we can withhold

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01:13:58,120 --> 01:13:56,300
any judgment until we have facts that

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are presentable and that seem to point

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in the direction of something that we

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can determine yeah boy nothing like uh

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01:14:06,580 --> 01:14:05,480
some healthy skepticism to have in your

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01:14:08,890 --> 01:14:06,590
toolkit when you're out there

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investigating claims of the unusual in

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01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:11,090
the unexplained I I think it's a point

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well taken a lot of people out there do

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tend to you know sort of suspend their

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their disbelief and in people like

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Alfred Webber and

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01:14:26,350 --> 01:14:24,620
I mean there's that there's a bunch of

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01:14:28,209 --> 01:14:26,360
people out there that boy they jump on

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01:14:30,190 --> 01:14:28,219
any bandwagon that comes along Kerry

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01:14:32,770 --> 01:14:30,200
Cassidy there's a number of people out

1974
01:14:36,580 --> 01:14:32,780
there that I think could use a little

1975
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:36,590
bit more a a healthy brand of skepticism

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01:14:41,500 --> 01:14:38,810
before they start touting individuals

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01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:41,510
and and particular viewpoints oh yes

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01:14:44,290 --> 01:14:43,370
absolutely and it's funny because again

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you know in the field of ufology

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especially I know you guys see this and

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01:14:50,110 --> 01:14:48,230
I've certainly encountered it at various

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01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:50,120
conferences and you know in meetings and

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01:14:53,890 --> 01:14:51,890
things that I've gone to a lot of people

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01:14:56,380 --> 01:14:53,900
who have built a a name for themselves

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01:14:59,110 --> 01:14:56,390
in this field and they they they don't

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01:15:00,640 --> 01:14:59,120
really worry so much about the merit of

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01:15:02,110 --> 01:15:00,650
their research they get out there and

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01:15:03,670 --> 01:15:02,120
they start getting books published and

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01:15:06,250 --> 01:15:03,680
they start looking at themselves as

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being a figurehead for a movement and I

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01:15:09,100 --> 01:15:07,550
think they begin to by their own hype to

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01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:09,110
an extent because what they see is that

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01:15:13,060 --> 01:15:11,690
there is a control or a power element

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01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:13,070
that comes with this and their ability

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01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:15,410
to influence people through what is

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often the presentation of a mythology

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01:15:21,550 --> 01:15:19,400
rather than an actual you know set of

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01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:21,560
data that might constitute some valid

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01:15:25,330 --> 01:15:23,930
truth and in this instance we begin to

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01:15:26,709 --> 01:15:25,340
see that with a lot of the disclosure

2001
01:15:28,420 --> 01:15:26,719
movement and things like this some of

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these these individuals and certain

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researchers become almost cult-like

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figures I compared a lot of the the the

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perception of UFO visitation and the

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inextricable nature of UFOs being having

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to be related to alien or

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extraterrestrial aircraft visiting from

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outer space and I begin to see that

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there are distinct parallels you know

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between that and the way that a lot of

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the cults form and and and you know

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develop their belief systems well one of

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the things here too is that you become a

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commercial product basically you're

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making a living from this stuff you

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don't want to say things or dismiss

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parts of your alleged research because

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then you make yourself look less than

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credible you can't have that kind of

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stuff going on but we have something

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coming on in just a moment and we have

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to keep that credible otherwise we don't

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have a show but the book is called the

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UFO singularity from Micah Hanks there's

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a subtitle the possibilities are endless

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and they're already here about that

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that's from new page books by the way

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[Music]

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with gene and with Chris on the podcast

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we have Micah Hanks we're exploring a

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part of the UFO field that maybe you

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haven't considered maybe the belief that

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we're being visited by ET is just too

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simple at what point in your research

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and studies Micah did you go away from

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what we call a traditional UFO belief it

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was right after I read Tom Sawyer by

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Mark Twain because you know Tom the

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character he's known for for getting

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into predicaments and things and I think

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at one point he actually explains it as

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being well if I did it this the easy way

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it just wouldn't be interesting you know

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and so you know playing applying complex

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thought to these kinds of things

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certainly makes things a little more

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interesting but in all seriousness where

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it seems to have come from from me you

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know that's actually a good question I

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don't know exactly if there was a

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singular point at which I had to start

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saying okay what we see is not what it

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seems to be I will say this that you

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know I entered this you know field

2157
01:22:05,820 --> 01:22:04,120
probably at age five or six you know

2158
01:22:06,870 --> 01:22:05,830
like everybody else well okay I don't

2159
01:22:08,790 --> 01:22:06,880
know if everybody else enters at age

2160
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:08,800
five or six but I was given my first UFO

2161
01:22:12,060 --> 01:22:10,210
book at that age I was in kindergarten

2162
01:22:13,980 --> 01:22:12,070
or first grade and it was a book by Ray

2163
01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:13,990
Fowler called the UFOs interplanetary

2164
01:22:19,230 --> 01:22:16,210
visitors of course the the title their

2165
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:19,240
interplanetary visitors it presents the

2166
01:22:22,350 --> 01:22:21,010
reader immediately with before they even

2167
01:22:23,310 --> 01:22:22,360
open the book with the presumption that

2168
01:22:25,890 --> 01:22:23,320
we're dealing with something

2169
01:22:28,050 --> 01:22:25,900
extraterrestrial non-human intelligence

2170
01:22:30,240 --> 01:22:28,060
maybe like ourselves maybe physical

2171
01:22:32,550 --> 01:22:30,250
piloting advanced aircraft from another

2172
01:22:36,270 --> 01:22:32,560
world I think probably a couple of years

2173
01:22:38,550 --> 01:22:36,280
ago I'd become so incensed with the UFO

2174
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:38,560
and nigma because people seemed so

2175
01:22:42,150 --> 01:22:40,810
content with just saying okay we have

2176
01:22:43,770 --> 01:22:42,160
this report this took place on this

2177
01:22:46,140 --> 01:22:43,780
state at this time the witnesses were

2178
01:22:47,610 --> 01:22:46,150
blood yeah you know whoever and and we

2179
01:22:49,050 --> 01:22:47,620
put that information out there we store

2180
01:22:50,550 --> 01:22:49,060
it in a database and we do nothing with

2181
01:22:52,110 --> 01:22:50,560
it you know we can pick on blue book all

2182
01:22:53,910 --> 01:22:52,120
day but nothing's changed I mean you

2183
01:22:55,410 --> 01:22:53,920
know five decades later we're still

2184
01:22:57,000 --> 01:22:55,420
doing the same thing we gather

2185
01:22:58,740 --> 01:22:57,010
information we do very little with it

2186
01:23:01,350 --> 01:22:58,750
and so I began to think in terms of

2187
01:23:02,910 --> 01:23:01,360
philosophy we should contrary to what

2188
01:23:03,690 --> 01:23:02,920
Stephen Hawking says about philosophy

2189
01:23:05,490 --> 01:23:03,700
being dead

2190
01:23:07,440 --> 01:23:05,500
that all things perceptible through the

2191
01:23:08,850 --> 01:23:07,450
sciences are going to be filtered

2192
01:23:10,770 --> 01:23:08,860
through the human senses and so how do

2193
01:23:13,080 --> 01:23:10,780
we even in a Cartesian sense really know

2194
01:23:15,450 --> 01:23:13,090
what we think we know and so begin to

2195
01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:15,460
say maybe we do need to ask more

2196
01:23:18,570 --> 01:23:17,170
difficult questions about the nature of

2197
01:23:19,740 --> 01:23:18,580
UFO phenomena I'll give you a brief

2198
01:23:22,140 --> 01:23:19,750
example of the kind of question I

2199
01:23:24,450 --> 01:23:22,150
started asking take J Allen Hynek book

2200
01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:24,460
the Hynek UFO report fascinating book

2201
01:23:30,930 --> 01:23:28,690
where Hynek delves into his own inquiry

2202
01:23:33,450 --> 01:23:30,940
and his own investigation of the blue

2203
01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:33,460
book reports if you get to the portion

2204
01:23:36,780 --> 01:23:34,330
of the book that deals with Close

2205
01:23:39,780 --> 01:23:36,790
Encounters of the Third Kind often the

2206
01:23:41,940 --> 01:23:39,790
reports described being seen near UFOs

2207
01:23:43,460 --> 01:23:41,950
we presume these to be alien beings I

2208
01:23:47,190 --> 01:23:43,470
see Hynek referring to them as being

2209
01:23:48,480 --> 01:23:47,200
beings or or or aliens in many instances

2210
01:23:50,220 --> 01:23:48,490
but the description is that the

2211
01:23:52,620 --> 01:23:50,230
witnesses give her a little different I

2212
01:23:55,110 --> 01:23:52,630
would say that probably four out of five

2213
01:23:56,940 --> 01:23:55,120
times the descriptions of the beings

2214
01:23:58,830 --> 01:23:56,950
described them as being what could

2215
01:24:01,350 --> 01:23:58,840
easily be human now there are always

2216
01:24:03,690 --> 01:24:01,360
deviations from that but often I know

2217
01:24:05,550 --> 01:24:03,700
that I noticed that the the document

2218
01:24:07,830 --> 01:24:05,560
though the the alleged occupants of

2219
01:24:09,660 --> 01:24:07,840
flying saucers tend to resemble humans

2220
01:24:11,070 --> 01:24:09,670
more than anything alien but when we

2221
01:24:12,570 --> 01:24:11,080
hear a story about what appears to be a

2222
01:24:15,330 --> 01:24:12,580
landing sauce or something that's very

2223
01:24:17,130 --> 01:24:15,340
exotic looking and they're being persons

2224
01:24:20,010 --> 01:24:17,140
associated with that craft

2225
01:24:22,140 --> 01:24:20,020
it seems that culturally we gravitate

2226
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:22,150
toward well that is not a human craft

2227
01:24:25,530 --> 01:24:23,770
and therefore those must not be humans

2228
01:24:27,960 --> 01:24:25,540
whereas in description often they do

2229
01:24:29,310 --> 01:24:27,970
appear very human not always but they

2230
01:24:30,660 --> 01:24:29,320
often do and I noticed that even

2231
01:24:32,430 --> 01:24:30,670
heineken people like that and their

2232
01:24:33,870 --> 01:24:32,440
reports were very careful with what they

2233
01:24:35,010 --> 01:24:33,880
said but nonetheless seemed to gravitate

2234
01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:35,020
toward an extraterrestrial explanation

2235
01:24:39,060 --> 01:24:36,730
when that may not have been the case and

2236
01:24:41,130 --> 01:24:39,070
so we can look at old reports and we can

2237
01:24:43,080 --> 01:24:41,140
read more carefully I think at times and

2238
01:24:44,550 --> 01:24:43,090
also see that maybe there is a little

2239
01:24:46,110 --> 01:24:44,560
something else going on here and that

2240
01:24:48,270 --> 01:24:46,120
we've misinterpreted certain data over

2241
01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:48,280
the years for cultural reasons now I

2242
01:24:53,280 --> 01:24:50,050
should tell you that I interviewed dr.

2243
01:24:56,220 --> 01:24:53,290
Hynek a few years before he died and I

2244
01:24:59,430 --> 01:24:56,230
saw at least questioning of the

2245
01:25:01,530 --> 01:24:59,440
traditional et explanation for UFOs I

2246
01:25:03,930 --> 01:25:01,540
don't know if he embraced the three and

2247
01:25:06,210 --> 01:25:03,940
a half the scenario that Jim Mosely

2248
01:25:08,700 --> 01:25:06,220
embraced but he seemed to feel there was

2249
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:08,710
something more going on and he couldn't

2250
01:25:14,640 --> 01:25:11,610
quite get a handle on it then hynek's

2251
01:25:16,729 --> 01:25:14,650
his work was some of my favorite in the

2252
01:25:19,250 --> 01:25:16,739
the field of ufology he was true

2253
01:25:21,260 --> 01:25:19,260
really truly a brilliant individual he

2254
01:25:23,270 --> 01:25:21,270
was a scientist he was not someone who

2255
01:25:25,070 --> 01:25:23,280
had just gravitated toward you know

2256
01:25:28,250 --> 01:25:25,080
belief and he certainly was a skeptic at

2257
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:28,260
first but his ongoing investigations and

2258
01:25:31,550 --> 01:25:29,850
interactions with not only people who

2259
01:25:34,190 --> 01:25:31,560
claim to see UFOs but who even had

2260
01:25:37,190 --> 01:25:34,200
full-on encounters with with what we

2261
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:37,200
would presume to be non-human beings it

2262
01:25:39,590 --> 01:25:38,610
led him to start thinking indeed that

2263
01:25:41,300 --> 01:25:39,600
there was something more to it but

2264
01:25:43,850 --> 01:25:41,310
what's most important about J Allen

2265
01:25:46,310 --> 01:25:43,860
Hynek and this is the study of his own

2266
01:25:48,020 --> 01:25:46,320
research into UFOs is that the careful

2267
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:48,030
reader will notice that in addition to

2268
01:25:52,790 --> 01:25:50,610
putting forth ideas and and and and you

2269
01:25:54,590 --> 01:25:52,800
can sense you know where his gut was

2270
01:25:56,450 --> 01:25:54,600
taking him at any given time often with

2271
01:25:58,610 --> 01:25:56,460
his writing you'll also see that over

2272
01:26:01,010 --> 01:25:58,620
the course of his investigation into UFO

2273
01:26:02,930 --> 01:26:01,020
phenomena his opinions changed he went

2274
01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:02,940
from skeptic to being a believer he went

2275
01:26:06,680 --> 01:26:04,650
from entertaining extraterrestrial

2276
01:26:08,450 --> 01:26:06,690
hypotheses to looking at things in terms

2277
01:26:11,450 --> 01:26:08,460
of being perhaps something that in terms

2278
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:11,460
of space-time and our known physics was

2279
01:26:15,680 --> 01:26:13,290
really far removed from what we could

2280
01:26:18,950 --> 01:26:15,690
even understand utilizing our knowledge

2281
01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:18,960
in our science today so Hynek again was

2282
01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:20,370
a good scientist in the sense that if

2283
01:26:24,110 --> 01:26:21,890
the information presented before him

2284
01:26:25,400 --> 01:26:24,120
appointed in a certain direction like a

2285
01:26:26,420 --> 01:26:25,410
good scientist he would follow and he

2286
01:26:27,530 --> 01:26:26,430
would see where that went but his

2287
01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:27,540
theories and his opinions and his

2288
01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:30,090
hypotheses were changing over time and I

2289
01:26:34,280 --> 01:26:32,610
doubt that at the outset his notion of

2290
01:26:37,010 --> 01:26:34,290
what UFO phenomena may have been was the

2291
01:26:39,440 --> 01:26:37,020
same as it was at the the conclusion of

2292
01:26:41,630 --> 01:26:39,450
his inquiry Jacques Vallee had 30 years

2293
01:26:43,190 --> 01:26:41,640
to work on him and towards the end he

2294
01:26:44,630 --> 01:26:43,200
was actually entertaining at the

2295
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:44,640
possibility that there was some sort of

2296
01:26:50,720 --> 01:26:47,010
connection between you know elementals

2297
01:26:52,490 --> 01:26:50,730
gnomes fairies types of phenomenal beans

2298
01:26:54,100 --> 01:26:52,500
and creatures that have been reported

2299
01:26:56,180 --> 01:26:54,110
for hundreds if not thousands of years

2300
01:26:57,680 --> 01:26:56,190
he was starting to entertain the

2301
01:27:00,110 --> 01:26:57,690
possibility there was some sort of

2302
01:27:02,150 --> 01:27:00,120
connection of course ballet champion

2303
01:27:05,150 --> 01:27:02,160
that you know all the way back to 69

2304
01:27:07,850 --> 01:27:05,160
with past passport - magana so I guess

2305
01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:07,860
if Le chance the work on him for 30

2306
01:27:12,140 --> 01:27:09,330
years he probably finally got through

2307
01:27:14,180 --> 01:27:12,150
you know I think a ballet I hold him in

2308
01:27:16,250 --> 01:27:14,190
as high regard as J Allen Hynek and a

2309
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:16,260
few others valet is again one of those

2310
01:27:21,020 --> 01:27:18,810
guys people look his UFO research and

2311
01:27:23,630 --> 01:27:21,030
they they look at his gravitation toward

2312
01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:23,640
a clandestine technology in our midst

2313
01:27:27,229 --> 01:27:25,290
you know a secret space program and then

2314
01:27:28,729 --> 01:27:27,239
they look at that juxtaposed against you

2315
01:27:30,659 --> 01:27:28,739
know the idea that there's some sort of

2316
01:27:32,850 --> 01:27:30,669
a connection with British folklore and

2317
01:27:34,919 --> 01:27:32,860
phenomenon things like that he wasn't

2318
01:27:36,029 --> 01:27:34,929
saying that aliens and fairies were one

2319
01:27:37,979 --> 01:27:36,039
in the same but I think he was saying

2320
01:27:39,810 --> 01:27:37,989
that the cultural interpretation of

2321
01:27:42,540 --> 01:27:39,820
whatever this anomalous phenomena is

2322
01:27:45,179 --> 01:27:42,550
underlying ufology and a lot of the 14

2323
01:27:47,459 --> 01:27:45,189
high strangeness reports may have been

2324
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:47,469
similar in nature and that relative to

2325
01:27:51,299 --> 01:27:49,570
the time period and the culture that and

2326
01:27:53,429 --> 01:27:51,309
the values and the traditions of people

2327
01:27:55,679 --> 01:27:53,439
perceiving various phenomenon they may

2328
01:27:57,689 --> 01:27:55,689
have interpreted that phenomenon a bit

2329
01:27:59,489 --> 01:27:57,699
differently and I think that valet was

2330
01:28:01,770 --> 01:27:59,499
very wise to do that and his ultimate

2331
01:28:04,739 --> 01:28:01,780
conclusion seems to be that while there

2332
01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:04,749
may be certain aspects of ufology that

2333
01:28:08,310 --> 01:28:06,610
are a little more close to home

2334
01:28:09,959 --> 01:28:08,320
he doesn't rule out by any means and

2335
01:28:12,389 --> 01:28:09,969
seems to very strongly support the the

2336
01:28:13,529 --> 01:28:12,399
potential for interdimensional phenomena

2337
01:28:15,449 --> 01:28:13,539
and things that you know play with

2338
01:28:17,580 --> 01:28:15,459
physics again in ways that we simply may

2339
01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:17,590
not I agree with him entirely on that

2340
01:28:20,489 --> 01:28:19,090
and frankly again I wouldn't be

2341
01:28:22,649 --> 01:28:20,499
interested in ufology if I thought all

2342
01:28:24,149 --> 01:28:22,659
this stuff was just misidentification of

2343
01:28:25,529 --> 01:28:24,159
secret aircraft you know that our

2344
01:28:27,419 --> 01:28:25,539
governments or whoever else might be

2345
01:28:28,529 --> 01:28:27,429
using I'm a bit romantic in the sense

2346
01:28:30,449 --> 01:28:28,539
that I do hope that there's something

2347
01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:30,459
more to it and that's what kind of

2348
01:28:33,959 --> 01:28:32,530
causes me to continue pursuit of this

2349
01:28:35,879 --> 01:28:33,969
mystery the notion that there might be

2350
01:28:38,069 --> 01:28:35,889
aspects of our own physics that we don't

2351
01:28:40,500 --> 01:28:38,079
understand and that nonetheless our

2352
01:28:42,989 --> 01:28:40,510
limited human perception does allow us

2353
01:28:44,909 --> 01:28:42,999
to view these these anomalies at times

2354
01:28:46,709 --> 01:28:44,919
and to question them and to try and

2355
01:28:48,839 --> 01:28:46,719
reconcile with them and what they mean

2356
01:28:51,419 --> 01:28:48,849
to us and and to our greater existence

2357
01:28:53,580 --> 01:28:51,429
as a civilization I have a long question

2358
01:28:55,889 --> 01:28:53,590
here about your perceptions where did

2359
01:28:59,129 --> 01:28:55,899
your journey take you how did it take

2360
01:29:01,770 --> 01:28:59,139
you to a conclusion about the UFO

2361
01:29:03,929 --> 01:29:01,780
singularity what was your path well you

2362
01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:03,939
know I have to say gene but there's no

2363
01:29:07,709 --> 01:29:06,130
conclusion and again to borrow from the

2364
01:29:10,020 --> 01:29:07,719
ancient Greek meaning of the skeptic

2365
01:29:11,759 --> 01:29:10,030
persuasion I think that we withhold

2366
01:29:13,589 --> 01:29:11,769
judgment so that we can better evaluate

2367
01:29:15,060 --> 01:29:13,599
the phenomena before us and therefore I

2368
01:29:16,500 --> 01:29:15,070
have come to no conclusions I hope I

2369
01:29:19,739 --> 01:29:16,510
never do and if I ever do then that's

2370
01:29:22,379 --> 01:29:19,749
the end of the road for me presenting

2371
01:29:24,839 --> 01:29:22,389
this idea of the UFO singularity it was

2372
01:29:27,750 --> 01:29:24,849
very simple for me I'd become a bit

2373
01:29:30,239 --> 01:29:27,760
agitated over time with the plethora of

2374
01:29:31,919 --> 01:29:30,249
UFO reports that are available and that

2375
01:29:33,779 --> 01:29:31,929
are chronicled and that there's very

2376
01:29:35,729 --> 01:29:33,789
little ever done with I can't profess to

2377
01:29:37,620 --> 01:29:35,739
be a person a man of science who is you

2378
01:29:39,929 --> 01:29:37,630
know armed with the technology or the

2379
01:29:41,339 --> 01:29:39,939
knowledge in terms of looking at those

2380
01:29:42,569 --> 01:29:41,349
reports and discerning something if

2381
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:42,579
there's anything that can be discerned

2382
01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:43,850
from a report of a lights

2383
01:29:47,440 --> 01:29:45,770
in the sky moving at high speeds whether

2384
01:29:48,970 --> 01:29:47,450
it be by a single person or by multiple

2385
01:29:51,100 --> 01:29:48,980
witnesses and you know the king and the

2386
01:29:53,560 --> 01:29:51,110
queen of any country you know twice on

2387
01:29:55,540 --> 01:29:53,570
Sunday is whatever but I think that what

2388
01:29:57,460 --> 01:29:55,550
what irks me so much is that while it's

2389
01:29:58,930 --> 01:29:57,470
valuable to gather information and the

2390
01:30:00,850 --> 01:29:58,940
names of people in the times and the

2391
01:30:02,260 --> 01:30:00,860
dates and all these sorts of things why

2392
01:30:03,370 --> 01:30:02,270
are we not doing more with information

2393
01:30:05,890 --> 01:30:03,380
that we gather do we not are we

2394
01:30:08,410 --> 01:30:05,900
interested in UFOs only as being water

2395
01:30:09,970 --> 01:30:08,420
cooler you know fun subjects to discuss

2396
01:30:12,100 --> 01:30:09,980
you know and it's just something that's

2397
01:30:13,690 --> 01:30:12,110
kind of a novelty in our culture or is

2398
01:30:16,930 --> 01:30:13,700
it something that's really seriously

2399
01:30:18,550 --> 01:30:16,940
worth serious discussion obviously these

2400
01:30:21,130 --> 01:30:18,560
things appear to have a technological

2401
01:30:22,930 --> 01:30:21,140
capacity that exceeds known technologies

2402
01:30:25,060 --> 01:30:22,940
here on planet Earth we gravitate with

2403
01:30:26,830 --> 01:30:25,070
the extra-terrestrial component we have

2404
01:30:30,220 --> 01:30:26,840
another component to gravitate to with

2405
01:30:39,080 --> 01:30:30,230
gene and Chris you're in the para cask

2406
01:30:41,300 --> 01:30:39,090
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exploring the path taken by Micah Hanks

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author of UFO singularity and as you see

2512
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folks on the power cast with Gene and

2513
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Chris we don't just say gosh golly gee

2514
01:35:25,630 --> 01:35:23,660
whiz UFOs must be spaceships that's the

2515
01:35:28,660 --> 01:35:25,640
end of the story but the one thing that

2516
01:35:31,420 --> 01:35:28,670
always bothers me Micah and that is with

2517
01:35:34,480 --> 01:35:31,430
UFO research you don't really see UFO

2518
01:35:36,730 --> 01:35:34,490
research as you suggested we see UFO

2519
01:35:39,730 --> 01:35:36,740
collecting we collect cases aren't they

2520
01:35:42,160 --> 01:35:39,740
fascinating we talk about Roswell for 60

2521
01:35:43,390 --> 01:35:42,170
years and we never get anywhere I mean

2522
01:35:46,960 --> 01:35:43,400
if you look at the speculation about

2523
01:35:49,420 --> 01:35:46,970
UFOs from the 1950s and 60s the names

2524
01:35:52,210 --> 01:35:49,430
are changed but the theories are

2525
01:35:54,160 --> 01:35:52,220
identical mostly yeah exactly and I know

2526
01:35:57,640 --> 01:35:54,170
it's a bit impolite to ask hosts

2527
01:35:58,810 --> 01:35:57,650
questions but both as radio hosts who

2528
01:36:00,610 --> 01:35:58,820
are fine at what they do but also as

2529
01:36:01,930 --> 01:36:00,620
researchers that I respect and admire I

2530
01:36:04,150 --> 01:36:01,940
mean is it not the case that really

2531
01:36:06,010 --> 01:36:04,160
we've done a fine job chronicling but we

2532
01:36:07,390 --> 01:36:06,020
are perceptions generally of what UFOs

2533
01:36:08,800 --> 01:36:07,400
may be it really hasn't changed much

2534
01:36:10,360 --> 01:36:08,810
over the last several decades has it

2535
01:36:13,060 --> 01:36:10,370
well this is one of the things of course

2536
01:36:15,850 --> 01:36:13,070
that I followed with my friend Allan

2537
01:36:17,980 --> 01:36:15,860
Greenfield back in the 1960s and this

2538
01:36:19,630 --> 01:36:17,990
occurred on a New Year's Eve instead of

2539
01:36:21,160 --> 01:36:19,640
going out and getting blasted and we

2540
01:36:22,510 --> 01:36:21,170
weren't that old we couldn't drink

2541
01:36:24,640 --> 01:36:22,520
legally and that wasn't the only reason

2542
01:36:25,330 --> 01:36:24,650
I just never became acclimated to

2543
01:36:28,090 --> 01:36:25,340
alcohol

2544
01:36:30,280 --> 01:36:28,100
I became acclimated to other stuff you

2545
01:36:33,040 --> 01:36:30,290
can imagine the 60s and 70s you get this

2546
01:36:36,640 --> 01:36:33,050
story okay we started speculating about

2547
01:36:39,520 --> 01:36:36,650
UFOs from other realities and part of it

2548
01:36:42,040 --> 01:36:39,530
is that we only saw UFOs as something

2549
01:36:45,010 --> 01:36:42,050
that is always seen or almost always

2550
01:36:47,650 --> 01:36:45,020
within our atmosphere so where could

2551
01:36:50,950 --> 01:36:47,660
they come from are they from here or are

2552
01:36:52,510 --> 01:36:50,960
they from here but on channel 7 if you

2553
01:36:54,830 --> 01:36:52,520
get my picture that's a really good

2554
01:36:57,350 --> 01:36:54,840
question and it's something that I've if

2555
01:37:00,379 --> 01:36:57,360
I hadn't had a series of very key events

2556
01:37:02,899 --> 01:37:00,389
early on in my in my you know young

2557
01:37:04,879 --> 01:37:02,909
investigative career if you want to call

2558
01:37:07,729 --> 01:37:04,889
it that I kind of hesitate to call it a

2559
01:37:10,729 --> 01:37:07,739
career but if it hadn't been for a

2560
01:37:12,830 --> 01:37:10,739
couple of very key moments while out in

2561
01:37:15,080 --> 01:37:12,840
the field I probably it would have taken

2562
01:37:16,820 --> 01:37:15,090
me longer I think to arrive at a at a

2563
01:37:18,550 --> 01:37:16,830
contrary and view point about all this

2564
01:37:21,140 --> 01:37:18,560
and and that there was something more

2565
01:37:24,290 --> 01:37:21,150
complex going on is speaking of

2566
01:37:26,600 --> 01:37:24,300
databases I've accumulated an amazing

2567
01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:26,610
database of unexplained events

2568
01:37:32,330 --> 01:37:30,570
as they were reported and and many of

2569
01:37:34,669 --> 01:37:32,340
them I actually did on-site

2570
01:37:36,890 --> 01:37:34,679
investigations and looking into them but

2571
01:37:39,169 --> 01:37:36,900
one of the things that I I started out

2572
01:37:42,010 --> 01:37:39,179
doing early on was also recording

2573
01:37:44,479 --> 01:37:42,020
societal aberrant societal behavior

2574
01:37:46,370 --> 01:37:44,489
unusual weather what appears to be

2575
01:37:49,129 --> 01:37:46,380
unexplained military or government

2576
01:37:51,919 --> 01:37:49,139
activity also you know cryptid sightings

2577
01:37:54,919 --> 01:37:51,929
that the cattle mutilation outbreaks

2578
01:37:56,390 --> 01:37:54,929
that would occur and I've been waiting

2579
01:37:58,970 --> 01:37:56,400
for somebody to come along and really

2580
01:38:01,820 --> 01:37:58,980
help me crunch this data and really

2581
01:38:05,439 --> 01:38:01,830
analyze it properly and I think it's a

2582
01:38:08,180 --> 01:38:05,449
goldmine in terms of the potential for

2583
01:38:11,510 --> 01:38:08,190
some sort of pattern recognition I think

2584
01:38:12,830 --> 01:38:11,520
it is ultimately my goal with the

2585
01:38:15,950 --> 01:38:12,840
particular database that I've

2586
01:38:17,870 --> 01:38:15,960
accumulated and I agree I think my key

2587
01:38:20,780 --> 01:38:17,880
you you bring up a very valid point and

2588
01:38:24,229 --> 01:38:20,790
you know the whole field seems to be

2589
01:38:28,100 --> 01:38:24,239
totally wrapped up in you know anecdotal

2590
01:38:29,450 --> 01:38:28,110
reports and that's why I think the San

2591
01:38:32,450 --> 01:38:29,460
Luis Valley camera project for instance

2592
01:38:35,629 --> 01:38:32,460
or that has Dallin project in Norway I

2593
01:38:38,839 --> 01:38:35,639
think these are important steps to take

2594
01:38:41,720 --> 01:38:38,849
us forward and try to to gain real-time

2595
01:38:45,470 --> 01:38:41,730
data that's of equality that we can have

2596
01:38:47,689 --> 01:38:45,480
scientists look at it and actually come

2597
01:38:50,510 --> 01:38:47,699
up with some sort of scientifically

2598
01:38:52,189 --> 01:38:50,520
valid conclusions about what it is that

2599
01:38:53,600 --> 01:38:52,199
we're dealing with obviously there's a

2600
01:38:55,970 --> 01:38:53,610
lot going on this isn't a

2601
01:38:58,129 --> 01:38:55,980
one-size-fits-all scenario as we I think

2602
01:39:02,180 --> 01:38:58,139
most of our listeners and I know this we

2603
01:39:04,669 --> 01:39:02,190
have us would agree so we do have to do

2604
01:39:07,160 --> 01:39:04,679
the best job that we can at least in

2605
01:39:08,670 --> 01:39:07,170
terms of documenting these things but I

2606
01:39:11,220 --> 01:39:08,680
think we need to take it and be

2607
01:39:13,410 --> 01:39:11,230
Proactive with it absolutely now that's

2608
01:39:16,020 --> 01:39:13,420
that's the only way forward and you know

2609
01:39:17,490 --> 01:39:16,030
Colin Bennett had written about that and

2610
01:39:20,040 --> 01:39:17,500
I had him on my own program at one point

2611
01:39:21,630 --> 01:39:20,050
to talk about UFOs and in his research

2612
01:39:23,310 --> 01:39:21,640
into the history of UFOs but a London

2613
01:39:25,440 --> 01:39:23,320
book because the very outset he says but

2614
01:39:27,240 --> 01:39:25,450
the history of UFO research is important

2615
01:39:28,560 --> 01:39:27,250
although we do need to look to the

2616
01:39:31,020 --> 01:39:28,570
future we need to incorporate you know

2617
01:39:33,000 --> 01:39:31,030
new mathematics new physics you know new

2618
01:39:34,170 --> 01:39:33,010
understandings and new potentials and

2619
01:39:35,670 --> 01:39:34,180
things like that we need to try and do

2620
01:39:37,050 --> 01:39:35,680
something with the data rather than just

2621
01:39:38,640 --> 01:39:37,060
sitting there and collecting and letting

2622
01:39:40,080 --> 01:39:38,650
this the you know the paperwork stack up

2623
01:39:42,240 --> 01:39:40,090
you know and the in the archive

2624
01:39:43,560 --> 01:39:42,250
downstairs so to speak so and again

2625
01:39:45,210 --> 01:39:43,570
that's what I tried to do a little with

2626
01:39:47,280 --> 01:39:45,220
the UFO singularity there's there's some

2627
01:39:49,770 --> 01:39:47,290
fieldwork chapter four deals with this

2628
01:39:51,090 --> 01:39:49,780
UFO sighting that I took place four

2629
01:39:52,380 --> 01:39:51,100
decades ago so we were a little late

2630
01:39:54,360 --> 01:39:52,390
getting back to the scene of the

2631
01:39:56,640 --> 01:39:54,370
sighting but you know I you know I think

2632
01:39:57,870 --> 01:39:56,650
that no matter how late after the fact I

2633
01:39:59,790 --> 01:39:57,880
think it's important to take into

2634
01:40:01,530 --> 01:39:59,800
consideration factors not much about the

2635
01:40:03,480 --> 01:40:01,540
physical environment in that instance

2636
01:40:05,700 --> 01:40:03,490
that had actually changed in in close to

2637
01:40:07,290 --> 01:40:05,710
40 years funny enough so and then the

2638
01:40:09,060 --> 01:40:07,300
point is is that you know we can't any

2639
01:40:10,650 --> 01:40:09,070
more than we just sit around and gather

2640
01:40:12,690 --> 01:40:10,660
information we can't just sit in our

2641
01:40:14,130 --> 01:40:12,700
armchairs and and then read about this

2642
01:40:15,270 --> 01:40:14,140
stuff and speculate and think about we

2643
01:40:16,440 --> 01:40:15,280
do have to get out there we do have to

2644
01:40:17,880 --> 01:40:16,450
apply ourselves a bit to trying to

2645
01:40:20,280 --> 01:40:17,890
figure out more about what could be

2646
01:40:22,020 --> 01:40:20,290
taking place and and you know at what

2647
01:40:23,640 --> 01:40:22,030
elements could actually be you know

2648
01:40:25,140 --> 01:40:23,650
doing a little less than transcending

2649
01:40:26,520 --> 01:40:25,150
human perception because obviously

2650
01:40:27,930 --> 01:40:26,530
people see these things and they're not

2651
01:40:29,940 --> 01:40:27,940
something that's completely so far

2652
01:40:31,740 --> 01:40:29,950
removed from from what we are capable of

2653
01:40:33,300 --> 01:40:31,750
understanding that we the we couldn't

2654
01:40:35,730 --> 01:40:33,310
wrap our heads around them in some in

2655
01:40:36,930 --> 01:40:35,740
some regard I agree and I think it's

2656
01:40:40,320 --> 01:40:36,940
really important for people to become

2657
01:40:42,630 --> 01:40:40,330
motivated and to organize and and get

2658
01:40:44,250 --> 01:40:42,640
out in the field and come up utilize

2659
01:40:47,060 --> 01:40:44,260
this wonderful technology that we have

2660
01:40:49,470 --> 01:40:47,070
that has come down amazingly in price

2661
01:40:51,000 --> 01:40:49,480
when I first envisioned these avenues

2662
01:40:52,800 --> 01:40:51,010
Valley camera project it would have cost

2663
01:40:55,110 --> 01:40:52,810
close to a million dollars to do it now

2664
01:40:57,510 --> 01:40:55,120
I could do it for roughly about a

2665
01:40:59,520 --> 01:40:57,520
hundred thousand so with that

2666
01:41:02,400 --> 01:40:59,530
availability of affordable technology I

2667
01:41:06,510 --> 01:41:02,410
think more emphasis should be placed on

2668
01:41:09,360 --> 01:41:06,520
doing triangulated optical you know work

2669
01:41:12,120 --> 01:41:09,370
for instance but you know I want to get

2670
01:41:13,710 --> 01:41:12,130
to a to an area that you bring up in

2671
01:41:16,190 --> 01:41:13,720
your book and you kind of hint around at

2672
01:41:19,200 --> 01:41:16,200
it quite a bit and then direct directly

2673
01:41:20,280 --> 01:41:19,210
address it and that is the possibility

2674
01:41:21,379 --> 01:41:20,290
that what we're doing whether there's

2675
01:41:23,959 --> 01:41:21,389
some sort of

2676
01:41:26,959 --> 01:41:23,969
based phenomenon when you when you use

2677
01:41:29,629 --> 01:41:26,969
the term singularity it almost kind of

2678
01:41:31,010 --> 01:41:29,639
gives you that that sense that we may be

2679
01:41:33,290 --> 01:41:31,020
dealing with something that is neither

2680
01:41:36,260 --> 01:41:33,300
in the future or in the past but is a

2681
01:41:39,439 --> 01:41:36,270
kind of a continuous now and and that

2682
01:41:41,510 --> 01:41:39,449
whole idea of humans coming back from

2683
01:41:43,910 --> 01:41:41,520
the future and interacting with their

2684
01:41:45,800 --> 01:41:43,920
ancestors it has always fascinated me

2685
01:41:48,290 --> 01:41:45,810
and of course it's the stuff of of

2686
01:41:49,899 --> 01:41:48,300
sci-fi but but you you bring up some

2687
01:41:52,609 --> 01:41:49,909
really interesting points in your book

2688
01:41:53,840 --> 01:41:52,619
addressing this particular potential why

2689
01:41:56,030 --> 01:41:53,850
don't we talk about that for a little

2690
01:41:57,530 --> 01:41:56,040
it's funny that we haven't gotten around

2691
01:41:59,990 --> 01:41:57,540
to that in this discussion and yet

2692
01:42:01,640 --> 01:42:00,000
and I noticed that often when I'm doing

2693
01:42:02,840 --> 01:42:01,650
interviews about the subject of people

2694
01:42:05,419 --> 01:42:02,850
the first thing they ask is okay so you

2695
01:42:07,250 --> 01:42:05,429
think that UFOs are time travelers from

2696
01:42:09,260 --> 01:42:07,260
the future it's just like people who you

2697
01:42:11,209 --> 01:42:09,270
know say oh you think that UFOs aren't

2698
01:42:13,189 --> 01:42:11,219
aliens or you so you know you Chris

2699
01:42:14,750 --> 01:42:13,199
O'Brien you think UFOs are all aliens

2700
01:42:16,550 --> 01:42:14,760
from outer space me people seem to want

2701
01:42:18,379 --> 01:42:16,560
to just gravitate toward a a simple

2702
01:42:20,090 --> 01:42:18,389
explanation and just and stick with it

2703
01:42:23,540 --> 01:42:20,100
and obviously I don't think that this

2704
01:42:25,850 --> 01:42:23,550
this entire question the UFO enigma is

2705
01:42:27,950 --> 01:42:25,860
so simple as merely being time travelers

2706
01:42:30,200 --> 01:42:27,960
from the future or anything any other

2707
01:42:32,240 --> 01:42:30,210
singular phenomena it's probably not to

2708
01:42:34,010 --> 01:42:32,250
be funny singular get it but but I think

2709
01:42:35,419 --> 01:42:34,020
that indeed there are a variety of

2710
01:42:37,010 --> 01:42:35,429
different potentials here we have to

2711
01:42:39,140 --> 01:42:37,020
look at all of them in the way all the

2712
01:42:40,220 --> 01:42:39,150
different options amidst those sure I

2713
01:42:42,169 --> 01:42:40,230
think that there's the potential to

2714
01:42:44,359 --> 01:42:42,179
Thursday what we would like into being a

2715
01:42:46,310 --> 01:42:44,369
future technology that evades

2716
01:42:47,959 --> 01:42:46,320
temporality and I say that rather than

2717
01:42:50,300 --> 01:42:47,969
being lived literal time travelers

2718
01:42:53,000 --> 01:42:50,310
because I'm not certain that if a UFO

2719
01:42:55,490 --> 01:42:53,010
that we might perceive a technological

2720
01:42:58,820 --> 01:42:55,500
you know intelligently controlled device

2721
01:43:00,470 --> 01:42:58,830
or object or machine if that is created

2722
01:43:02,930 --> 01:43:00,480
in the future and it is able to move

2723
01:43:04,729 --> 01:43:02,940
about through space time in ways that

2724
01:43:06,770 --> 01:43:04,739
the present technology on earth will not

2725
01:43:08,720 --> 01:43:06,780
allow I'm not certain that the device

2726
01:43:10,760 --> 01:43:08,730
itself would have to have been designed

2727
01:43:13,459 --> 01:43:10,770
for purposes of literal physical travel

2728
01:43:15,790 --> 01:43:13,469
through time in order to evade aspects

2729
01:43:19,160 --> 01:43:15,800
of human perceptual perceptual

2730
01:43:21,470 --> 01:43:19,170
temporality so that such a technology in

2731
01:43:23,510 --> 01:43:21,480
the future operating by virtue of

2732
01:43:25,820 --> 01:43:23,520
whatever the purpose of its design was

2733
01:43:28,430 --> 01:43:25,830
or may have been or will be rather in

2734
01:43:30,500 --> 01:43:28,440
this instance that object may be at

2735
01:43:33,200 --> 01:43:30,510
times by virtue of its design and its

2736
01:43:34,129 --> 01:43:33,210
and its operation perceptible in our

2737
01:43:37,219 --> 01:43:34,139
temporal Pres

2738
01:43:39,020 --> 01:43:37,229
and by what of course to those future

2739
01:43:42,229 --> 01:43:39,030
dwellers would be you know denizens of

2740
01:43:43,819 --> 01:43:42,239
the past so that's a little difficult to

2741
01:43:45,139 --> 01:43:43,829
wrap people's you know for people to

2742
01:43:46,729 --> 01:43:45,149
wrap their heads around I'm no different

2743
01:43:48,679 --> 01:43:46,739
but again the reason I draw a

2744
01:43:50,899 --> 01:43:48,689
distinction between a technology that

2745
01:43:52,069 --> 01:43:50,909
could evade temporality and time travel

2746
01:43:53,600 --> 01:43:52,079
is that I don't know that we would

2747
01:43:55,879 --> 01:43:53,610
necessarily have to have machines

2748
01:43:57,529 --> 01:43:55,889
designed for travel through time in

2749
01:44:00,199 --> 01:43:57,539
order for certain technologies of the

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01:44:04,459 --> 01:44:00,209
future to become perceptible to us in

2751
01:44:06,799 --> 01:44:04,469
the present day ok well you bring up a

2752
01:44:08,779 --> 01:44:06,809
good point Mike and that's that's why I

2753
01:44:12,290 --> 01:44:08,789
think your title of your book is very

2754
01:44:13,879 --> 01:44:12,300
important for people to to get its when

2755
01:44:16,159 --> 01:44:13,889
you talk about singularity it's it's

2756
01:44:19,279 --> 01:44:16,169
it's a point where we're all this merges

2757
01:44:21,139 --> 01:44:19,289
together and we as you're pointing out

2758
01:44:23,569 --> 01:44:21,149
and I can say it in a slightly different

2759
01:44:27,109 --> 01:44:23,579
way we may be dealing with technology

2760
01:44:29,330 --> 01:44:27,119
that is that that can occupy the future

2761
01:44:31,939 --> 01:44:29,340
in the present in the past all at the

2762
01:44:33,979 --> 01:44:31,949
same time rights and and if that's the

2763
01:44:36,040 --> 01:44:33,989
case and we're we're dealing with some

2764
01:44:38,839 --> 01:44:36,050
with a with a phantom that's gonna be

2765
01:44:41,060 --> 01:44:38,849
virtually impossible to pin down and and

2766
01:44:43,989 --> 01:44:41,070
that would explain or it could

2767
01:44:47,929 --> 01:44:43,999
potentially explain why these objects uh

2768
01:44:49,310 --> 01:44:47,939
fade out blink out up here in one part

2769
01:44:50,509 --> 01:44:49,320
of the sky and then instantaneously

2770
01:44:53,689 --> 01:44:50,519
there in another part of the sky

2771
01:44:56,359 --> 01:44:53,699
assuming it's the same object so it does

2772
01:44:57,949 --> 01:44:56,369
go a long way to potentially come up

2773
01:45:02,049 --> 01:44:57,959
with an explanation for that why don't

2774
01:45:05,899 --> 01:45:02,059
we talk about what kinds of technologies

2775
01:45:08,569 --> 01:45:05,909
how that technology could be developed

2776
01:45:11,719 --> 01:45:08,579
and whether we're scientifically on a

2777
01:45:13,489 --> 01:45:11,729
path towards that sort of technology we

2778
01:45:15,919 --> 01:45:13,499
have so much more to talk about with

2779
01:45:17,899 --> 01:45:15,929
Micah Hanks author of UFO singularity

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01:45:21,630 --> 01:45:17,909
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here's Jane Steinberg with gene and Kris

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on the power cast we are being inundated

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by canines from around the neighborhood

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as we record the show obviously et or

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the Krypto terrestrials are afoot here

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and they are disturbing the canines were

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they're having a severe debate over

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politics in the fiscal cliff the UFO

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01:48:24,990 --> 01:48:22,929
singularity is the book Micah Hanks is

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01:48:26,399 --> 01:48:25,000
the guest with gene and Chris Chris you

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01:48:29,430 --> 01:48:26,409
want to pick up on the questioning with

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Micah well yeah before we we broke here

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01:48:33,959 --> 01:48:32,020
I'd asked if you saw any indication that

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01:48:36,390 --> 01:48:33,969
we are on a technological development

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01:48:38,390 --> 01:48:36,400
curve that would lead to a place where

2853
01:48:39,950 --> 01:48:38,400
we could have temporal based

2854
01:48:43,770 --> 01:48:39,960
technologies that could be

2855
01:48:45,180 --> 01:48:43,780
simultaneously there in here and in the

2856
01:48:47,160 --> 01:48:45,190
past in the future just sort of

2857
01:48:49,859 --> 01:48:47,170
occupying that that wonderful

2858
01:48:51,569 --> 01:48:49,869
singularity space as it work yeah III

2859
01:48:54,000 --> 01:48:51,579
certainly think that we're looking at

2860
01:48:55,709 --> 01:48:54,010
technologies you know on the horizon so

2861
01:48:57,359 --> 01:48:55,719
to speak that it might entail what

2862
01:48:59,189 --> 01:48:57,369
you've described there I do want to

2863
01:49:01,260 --> 01:48:59,199
point out that as we enter this

2864
01:49:03,629 --> 01:49:01,270
inevitably people always want to contact

2865
01:49:05,100 --> 01:49:03,639
me and say well you you don't know this

2866
01:49:05,910 --> 01:49:05,110
or you don't know that because you are

2867
01:49:10,080 --> 01:49:05,920
not a physicist

2868
01:49:11,549 --> 01:49:10,090
what I do know is that and this is kind

2869
01:49:13,589 --> 01:49:11,559
of a hunch that I have I think that

2870
01:49:15,959 --> 01:49:13,599
understanding such things as entropy and

2871
01:49:17,760 --> 01:49:15,969
the trend toward chaos you know of all

2872
01:49:19,649 --> 01:49:17,770
things in the universe as we expand

2873
01:49:21,209 --> 01:49:19,659
outward when I say expand outward

2874
01:49:22,950 --> 01:49:21,219
obviously as a reference to a big bang

2875
01:49:24,899 --> 01:49:22,960
but then again that's only one potential

2876
01:49:26,549 --> 01:49:24,909
explanation for the nature of space-time

2877
01:49:27,839 --> 01:49:26,559
in the cosmos we don't know entirely

2878
01:49:29,939 --> 01:49:27,849
what we're dealing with and thereby

2879
01:49:32,129 --> 01:49:29,949
again I point out that the mainstream

2880
01:49:33,419 --> 01:49:32,139
academic you know Sciences the

2881
01:49:35,729 --> 01:49:33,429
physicists out there the Stephen

2882
01:49:38,069 --> 01:49:35,739
Hawking's and the issue of kaku's of the

2883
01:49:40,169 --> 01:49:38,079
world they do a good bit of speculation

2884
01:49:42,510 --> 01:49:40,179
in terms of trying to understand how our

2885
01:49:44,549 --> 01:49:42,520
universe may work and in terms of trying

2886
01:49:46,080 --> 01:49:44,559
to deal with unseen potentials you know

2887
01:49:47,209 --> 01:49:46,090
antimatter and dark matter and things

2888
01:49:49,859 --> 01:49:47,219
like that

2889
01:49:51,390 --> 01:49:49,869
hypothesizing aspects of our unseen

2890
01:49:53,910 --> 01:49:51,400
universe that may help in explaining

2891
01:49:56,129 --> 01:49:53,920
what we could be dealing with so in my

2892
01:49:58,560 --> 01:49:56,139
opinion I look at such things as entropy

2893
01:49:59,910 --> 01:49:58,570
as being important the primary reason

2894
01:50:02,729 --> 01:49:59,920
why is because if they

2895
01:50:04,410 --> 01:50:02,739
trend toward chaos humans of course are

2896
01:50:07,290 --> 01:50:04,420
born and it was we get older our bodies

2897
01:50:09,300 --> 01:50:07,300
become slightly less usable and of

2898
01:50:12,900 --> 01:50:09,310
course you know we expire I resemble

2899
01:50:13,320 --> 01:50:12,910
that remark we all do that's the whole

2900
01:50:16,740 --> 01:50:13,330
thing

2901
01:50:18,450 --> 01:50:16,750
relative to perception of time passing

2902
01:50:20,250 --> 01:50:18,460
as a chronological fixture but then

2903
01:50:21,660 --> 01:50:20,260
again I mean we're human as we can't at

2904
01:50:23,850 --> 01:50:21,670
least at present escaped that sort of

2905
01:50:26,070 --> 01:50:23,860
thing now if we reverse entropy or reach

2906
01:50:28,830 --> 01:50:26,080
what some have called a negentropy a neg

2907
01:50:32,220 --> 01:50:28,840
entropic state even what we have is the

2908
01:50:34,320 --> 01:50:32,230
ability to potentially live forever but

2909
01:50:35,700 --> 01:50:34,330
I would argue also in Hawking this is

2910
01:50:38,250 --> 01:50:35,710
one thing that I do agree with Stephen

2911
01:50:39,990 --> 01:50:38,260
Hawking to an extent about in his book a

2912
01:50:42,360 --> 01:50:40,000
brief history of time he talks about the

2913
01:50:44,459 --> 01:50:42,370
computer like you know functions of the

2914
01:50:46,560 --> 01:50:44,469
human mind and how entropy also plays on

2915
01:50:48,180 --> 01:50:46,570
the human map that he speculates that

2916
01:50:49,439 --> 01:50:48,190
the reason we can perceive memories of

2917
01:50:51,240 --> 01:50:49,449
the past but not memories of the future

2918
01:50:52,919 --> 01:50:51,250
all the while knowing the space-time is

2919
01:50:55,080 --> 01:50:52,929
illusory is if evidence tolerated by

2920
01:50:57,510 --> 01:50:55,090
things such as time dilation and other

2921
01:50:59,729 --> 01:50:57,520
aspects of the observable universe that

2922
01:51:01,890 --> 01:50:59,739
are in complete consistence in keeping

2923
01:51:03,750 --> 01:51:01,900
with Einstein's relativity theory if we

2924
01:51:05,880 --> 01:51:03,760
were to look at such things as entropy

2925
01:51:07,950 --> 01:51:05,890
and the potential that they have on the

2926
01:51:10,470 --> 01:51:07,960
workings of the mind Hawking speculated

2927
01:51:12,810 --> 01:51:10,480
that as a result of the the process of

2928
01:51:15,750 --> 01:51:12,820
entropy storing information and creating

2929
01:51:18,060 --> 01:51:15,760
order but the energy expended actually

2930
01:51:20,130 --> 01:51:18,070
surpassing the order created by for

2931
01:51:22,890 --> 01:51:20,140
instance tact of memorizing Hawking

2932
01:51:25,320 --> 01:51:22,900
suspected that this was a thermodynamic

2933
01:51:26,459 --> 01:51:25,330
reason underlying why humans are capable

2934
01:51:26,790 --> 01:51:26,469
of remembering the past but not the

2935
01:51:28,740 --> 01:51:26,800
future

2936
01:51:30,120 --> 01:51:28,750
and yet if we were to take into

2937
01:51:32,970 --> 01:51:30,130
consideration the potential that such

2938
01:51:34,979 --> 01:51:32,980
things as maybe psychic phenomena show

2939
01:51:37,260 --> 01:51:34,989
little glimmering instances where for

2940
01:51:39,540 --> 01:51:37,270
whatever reason physically the human

2941
01:51:42,689 --> 01:51:39,550
mind is capable of getting around the

2942
01:51:44,910 --> 01:51:42,699
entropic forces that dictate the what

2943
01:51:47,400 --> 01:51:44,920
Hawking cause the thermodynamic arrow of

2944
01:51:49,140 --> 01:51:47,410
time then maybe the shows that there are

2945
01:51:51,750 --> 01:51:49,150
physical circumstances that could be

2946
01:51:53,400 --> 01:51:51,760
modified or altered much like you know

2947
01:51:55,530 --> 01:51:53,410
for instance the passage of space-time

2948
01:51:57,810 --> 01:51:55,540
itself that could be utilized by

2949
01:51:59,459 --> 01:51:57,820
technologies in the future to reverse

2950
01:52:01,620 --> 01:51:59,469
such things as entropy or at very least

2951
01:52:04,169 --> 01:52:01,630
halt entropy I think that for instance

2952
01:52:06,030 --> 01:52:04,179
when we look at nanotechnology we begin

2953
01:52:08,100 --> 01:52:06,040
to see technological you know advances

2954
01:52:10,080 --> 01:52:08,110
that are trending toward microscopic

2955
01:52:11,910 --> 01:52:10,090
computer components and things like that

2956
01:52:13,530 --> 01:52:11,920
that would not be utilized in a computer

2957
01:52:17,070 --> 01:52:13,540
system but perhaps even in human being

2958
01:52:19,500 --> 01:52:17,080
for purposes of finding and and maybe

2959
01:52:21,630 --> 01:52:19,510
curing certain ailments but we also see

2960
01:52:24,440 --> 01:52:21,640
with nanotechnology in terms of computer

2961
01:52:26,640 --> 01:52:24,450
science is the potential for microscopic

2962
01:52:28,350 --> 01:52:26,650
components that are so small that

2963
01:52:30,600 --> 01:52:28,360
utilizing such things as reverse

2964
01:52:33,150 --> 01:52:30,610
computation they Mitel they might

2965
01:52:35,490 --> 01:52:33,160
actually physically be capable of being

2966
01:52:38,480 --> 01:52:35,500
perfectly efficient okay in other words

2967
01:52:40,500 --> 01:52:38,490
these little tiny components macroscopic

2968
01:52:42,840 --> 01:52:40,510
nanotechnologies of the future they

2969
01:52:45,150 --> 01:52:42,850
might literally be so small that in

2970
01:52:46,590 --> 01:52:45,160
their functional capacity they expend

2971
01:52:48,390 --> 01:52:46,600
little or no energy and if they expend

2972
01:52:50,340 --> 01:52:48,400
no energy we've actually essentially

2973
01:52:52,440 --> 01:52:50,350
halted entropy and we've found something

2974
01:52:54,990 --> 01:52:52,450
very akin to that zero point free energy

2975
01:52:56,910 --> 01:52:55,000
if we are able to reverse the

2976
01:52:59,880 --> 01:52:56,920
thermodynamic processes by the

2977
01:53:01,200 --> 01:52:59,890
utilization of advanced technologies how

2978
01:53:02,430 --> 01:53:01,210
will this be incorporated not only into

2979
01:53:04,020 --> 01:53:02,440
computers but maybe even into the

2980
01:53:06,830 --> 01:53:04,030
thought functions of future humans and

2981
01:53:09,120 --> 01:53:06,840
furthermore if thermodynamic processes

2982
01:53:11,700 --> 01:53:09,130
underlying human perception of

2983
01:53:14,880 --> 01:53:11,710
space-time are thereby functionally

2984
01:53:16,740 --> 01:53:14,890
altered will our perception of space and

2985
01:53:18,750 --> 01:53:16,750
time past present and perhaps the future

2986
01:53:20,310 --> 01:53:18,760
also be altered there's a good chance

2987
01:53:21,690 --> 01:53:20,320
that maybe a will but it's gonna utilize

2988
01:53:24,210 --> 01:53:21,700
technology that we can't even fathom

2989
01:53:25,950 --> 01:53:24,220
right now yeah that's a very good point

2990
01:53:29,250 --> 01:53:25,960
and in another thing that I think people

2991
01:53:31,290 --> 01:53:29,260
tend to forget is that as time time

2992
01:53:34,230 --> 01:53:31,300
appears to be speeding up as it moves

2993
01:53:37,830 --> 01:53:34,240
forward and at the same time complexity

2994
01:53:40,250 --> 01:53:37,840
seems to become more complex so you have

2995
01:53:43,440 --> 01:53:40,260
this kind of strange dichotomy of

2996
01:53:46,350 --> 01:53:43,450
entropy and at the same time a an

2997
01:53:49,350 --> 01:53:46,360
increased amount of complexity again to

2998
01:53:51,930 --> 01:53:49,360
Bro a and what if from Terence Mckenna

2999
01:53:53,820 --> 01:53:51,940
he postulated that instead of a Big Bang

3000
01:53:56,610 --> 01:53:53,830
that we may be headed towards a Big

3001
01:54:00,180 --> 01:53:56,620
Crunch that would be akin to some form

3002
01:54:02,940 --> 01:54:00,190
of singularity and I've often found that

3003
01:54:05,520 --> 01:54:02,950
if it's if it appears to be one way

3004
01:54:07,800 --> 01:54:05,530
chances are it's the exact opposite when

3005
01:54:12,090 --> 01:54:07,810
you're dealing with with the paranormal

3006
01:54:15,120 --> 01:54:12,100
or UFOs and and I just use the example

3007
01:54:17,700 --> 01:54:15,130
in my talks of being able to identify a

3008
01:54:19,470 --> 01:54:17,710
particular pattern and then really

3009
01:54:21,270 --> 01:54:19,480
getting excited about that and then and

3010
01:54:23,940 --> 01:54:21,280
then you know looking at it and then

3011
01:54:25,620 --> 01:54:23,950
finding out that yes my pattern seems to

3012
01:54:27,390 --> 01:54:25,630
be correct I'm getting you know

3013
01:54:29,190 --> 01:54:27,400
additional you know

3014
01:54:31,590 --> 01:54:29,200
supplemental data that's supporting the

3015
01:54:34,590 --> 01:54:31,600
pattern and then as soon as I open my

3016
01:54:36,330 --> 01:54:34,600
mouth about it it seems to go a hundred

3017
01:54:42,780 --> 01:54:36,340
and eighty degrees shift and does the

3018
01:54:44,790 --> 01:54:42,790
exact opposite so you know it's it's you

3019
01:54:47,250 --> 01:54:44,800
know it's that you know that overused

3020
01:54:49,080 --> 01:54:47,260
cliché of it's a you know the Hall of

3021
01:54:51,060 --> 01:54:49,090
Mirrors with a quicksand floor that

3022
01:54:53,280 --> 01:54:51,070
we're dealing with here I love it I love

3023
01:54:55,440 --> 01:54:53,290
it what a wonderful playing field to be

3024
01:54:57,690 --> 01:54:55,450
to be thrust into you know to try and

3025
01:54:59,970 --> 01:54:57,700
figure out these sorts of things so many

3026
01:55:02,670 --> 01:54:59,980
thinking along those same lines you know

3027
01:55:04,680 --> 01:55:02,680
when I go out into the world I walk into

3028
01:55:06,870 --> 01:55:04,690
my car opening my car door perceiving

3029
01:55:08,430 --> 01:55:06,880
the sensation of daylight around me

3030
01:55:11,730 --> 01:55:08,440
feeling the heat from the Sun on my skin

3031
01:55:13,860 --> 01:55:11,740
I I catch myself at times after thinking

3032
01:55:15,800 --> 01:55:13,870
about these things in such a manner for

3033
01:55:18,210 --> 01:55:15,810
so long I begin to catch myself

3034
01:55:20,460 --> 01:55:18,220
literally looking around the world at me

3035
01:55:22,320 --> 01:55:20,470
and thinking that this is this is all

3036
01:55:24,600 --> 01:55:22,330
energy around me this is on an energetic

3037
01:55:27,680 --> 01:55:24,610
reaction and that what I appear to be a

3038
01:55:32,390 --> 01:55:27,690
physical intelligence a sentient being

3039
01:55:35,190 --> 01:55:32,400
is some strange accumulation of whatever

3040
01:55:37,290 --> 01:55:35,200
whatever I mean it goes beyond evolution

3041
01:55:40,470 --> 01:55:37,300
it goes beyond biology it's something

3042
01:55:42,480 --> 01:55:40,480
some some sort of a you know this is

3043
01:55:44,010 --> 01:55:42,490
what's difficult about it words escape

3044
01:55:46,500 --> 01:55:44,020
one at this point when they try and

3045
01:55:48,060 --> 01:55:46,510
conceptualize I realize that heat and

3046
01:55:50,250 --> 01:55:48,070
cold and all these things are various

3047
01:55:52,200 --> 01:55:50,260
different formations of energies present

3048
01:55:54,270 --> 01:55:52,210
throughout the entire known universe I'm

3049
01:55:55,680 --> 01:55:54,280
capable of sensing these things the act

3050
01:55:57,990 --> 01:55:55,690
of sensing these things is obviously

3051
01:55:59,520 --> 01:55:58,000
some sort of an energetic interaction

3052
01:56:00,900 --> 01:55:59,530
when we start seeing the universe like

3053
01:56:02,970 --> 01:56:00,910
that of me I think that truly if you

3054
01:56:04,620 --> 01:56:02,980
follow that line of thought in that way

3055
01:56:06,090 --> 01:56:04,630
of thinking far enough it could

3056
01:56:09,030 --> 01:56:06,100
literally drive you mad and this is

3057
01:56:10,620 --> 01:56:09,040
what's so so strange and infuriating but

3058
01:56:12,570 --> 01:56:10,630
it's certainly challenging for the UFO

3059
01:56:14,760 --> 01:56:12,580
researcher or you know the researcher of

3060
01:56:16,620 --> 01:56:14,770
any strange phenomena keep in mind that

3061
01:56:18,840 --> 01:56:16,630
of course the study that we know of

3062
01:56:21,900 --> 01:56:18,850
course throughout time is the scientific

3063
01:56:24,000 --> 01:56:21,910
you know process this is also this is

3064
01:56:26,070 --> 01:56:24,010
from the very outset undertaken entirely

3065
01:56:28,230 --> 01:56:26,080
the study of strange unexplainable

3066
01:56:30,540 --> 01:56:28,240
phenomenon at what point in our history

3067
01:56:32,310 --> 01:56:30,550
that this study of unexplained phenomena

3068
01:56:34,050 --> 01:56:32,320
became something that was the the stuff

3069
01:56:35,670 --> 01:56:34,060
of pseudoscience it's really sad to me

3070
01:56:37,590 --> 01:56:35,680
because I think that you know that just

3071
01:56:39,300 --> 01:56:37,600
shows that the mainstream seems to think

3072
01:56:40,709 --> 01:56:39,310
that we know everything already that was

3073
01:56:42,660 --> 01:56:40,719
never the case at the outset

3074
01:56:44,609 --> 01:56:42,670
everything began and does begin as

3075
01:56:46,799 --> 01:56:44,619
unexplained and we seek to try and

3076
01:56:48,180 --> 01:56:46,809
better understand but the further we go

3077
01:56:49,410 --> 01:56:48,190
down the rabbit hole the more questions

3078
01:56:50,969 --> 01:56:49,420
they are and a literally think that

3079
01:56:53,910 --> 01:56:50,979
thinking along those lines could have

3080
01:56:56,609 --> 01:56:53,920
the potential for driving one well it

3081
01:56:59,100 --> 01:56:56,619
does we hear people burning out all the

3082
01:57:01,560 --> 01:56:59,110
time I it's almost unavoidable in this

3083
01:57:02,759 --> 01:57:01,570
field one thing you mentioned is the the

3084
01:57:05,339 --> 01:57:02,769
term pseudoscience

3085
01:57:07,439 --> 01:57:05,349
I prefer proto science I think these are

3086
01:57:09,959 --> 01:57:07,449
emerging scientific fields of study and

3087
01:57:12,359 --> 01:57:09,969
research as soon as they're we get

3088
01:57:15,270 --> 01:57:12,369
something that'll turn the scientific

3089
01:57:17,160 --> 01:57:15,280
community on its ear and at least takes

3090
01:57:20,009 --> 01:57:17,170
it take at least some of this stuff

3091
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seriously and really marshal resources

3092
01:57:24,870 --> 01:57:22,900
to to to study it if that already isn't

3093
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the case ok what's the case what's the

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case is we got do the break with gene

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and Kris you're in the para caste

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Hanks and we're trying to make sense of

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his book the UFO singularity Chris is

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into a fascinating line of questioning

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with Mike I'd like to see you continue

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let's talk a little bit about attendant

3204
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phenomenon that may not be directly tied

3205
02:02:24,400 --> 02:02:21,440
to the UFO mystery and there's things

3206
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like crypto creatures and unusual 40 and

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type events you know a guy going fishing

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and losing his wedding ring and 30 years

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later he goes to the same spot catches a

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fish and inside the fish is his wedding

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ring these inexplicable events that may

3212
02:02:40,090 --> 02:02:38,240
not be well-documented but there's

3213
02:02:42,700 --> 02:02:40,100
enough of them to suggest that there is

3214
02:02:45,610 --> 02:02:42,710
something else going on how do you look

3215
02:02:48,010 --> 02:02:45,620
at crypto creatures and you know the

3216
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paranormal in general as it relates to a

3217
02:02:52,840 --> 02:02:50,270
singularity sort of approach I'll tell

3218
02:02:54,640 --> 02:02:52,850
you when I began the research into the

3219
02:02:56,560 --> 02:02:54,650
unexplained you know and try to begin to

3220
02:02:57,970 --> 02:02:56,570
any professionally writing about it and

3221
02:03:00,070 --> 02:02:57,980
things like that for various articles

3222
02:03:02,020 --> 02:03:00,080
and doing books and stuff I began

3223
02:03:03,610 --> 02:03:02,030
looking at something like Bigfoot for

3224
02:03:05,100 --> 02:03:03,620
instance as being exactly what it

3225
02:03:08,920 --> 02:03:05,110
appears to be a physical biological

3226
02:03:11,500 --> 02:03:08,930
species that resembles human kind enough

3227
02:03:14,770 --> 02:03:11,510
to where they literally resemble large

3228
02:03:17,260 --> 02:03:14,780
hairy humans primitive humans with time

3229
02:03:19,240 --> 02:03:17,270
however my perceptions have have changed

3230
02:03:21,070 --> 02:03:19,250
quite a bit in that I see that although

3231
02:03:22,690 --> 02:03:21,080
a lot of the mainstream cryptozoologists

3232
02:03:24,040 --> 02:03:22,700
try and discount these things are you

3233
02:03:25,780 --> 02:03:24,050
carefully documented and you're stalking

3234
02:03:27,520 --> 02:03:25,790
the tricksters the fact that a lot of

3235
02:03:29,650 --> 02:03:27,530
these reports of beasts and creatures

3236
02:03:32,050 --> 02:03:29,660
and things like this don't necessarily

3237
02:03:34,900 --> 02:03:32,060
conform always to what we perceive as

3238
02:03:36,430 --> 02:03:34,910
being perceptual physical constants in

3239
02:03:38,650 --> 02:03:36,440
this universe you know Sasquatch is

3240
02:03:41,080 --> 02:03:38,660
disappearing and things like that the

3241
02:03:42,730 --> 02:03:41,090
trickster esque phenomenon that's key to

3242
02:03:45,190 --> 02:03:42,740
all this I think because what we begin

3243
02:03:47,920 --> 02:03:45,200
to see is that there is almost the sort

3244
02:03:49,300 --> 02:03:47,930
of asking you shall receive component to

3245
02:03:51,130 --> 02:03:49,310
the study of strange phenomena what

3246
02:03:53,350 --> 02:03:51,140
about that is that if you put it out

3247
02:03:54,669 --> 02:03:53,360
there nine times out of ten it

3248
02:03:56,050 --> 02:03:54,679
seems that people will tend to get a

3249
02:03:57,609 --> 02:03:56,060
response how many times do we hear about

3250
02:04:00,160 --> 02:03:57,619
UFO reports where people have claimed

3251
02:04:02,050 --> 02:04:00,170
that they have seen a UFO when they are

3252
02:04:04,030 --> 02:04:02,060
standing outside and they look up at the

3253
02:04:05,530 --> 02:04:04,040
sky and say boy I wonder what it would

3254
02:04:07,660 --> 02:04:05,540
be like to see a UFO and then they see

3255
02:04:09,760 --> 02:04:07,670
one now someone would say that it's

3256
02:04:12,280 --> 02:04:09,770
literally just it shows how easily that

3257
02:04:14,560 --> 02:04:12,290
the mind can deceive an observer of any

3258
02:04:16,000 --> 02:04:14,570
variety of phenomenon I would argue to

3259
02:04:18,310 --> 02:04:16,010
the contrary that you know when we see

3260
02:04:20,140 --> 02:04:18,320
something like a person losing a wedding

3261
02:04:21,520 --> 02:04:20,150
ring and it coming back in to finish

3262
02:04:23,290 --> 02:04:21,530
we're tossing a bottle out in the lake

3263
02:04:24,459 --> 02:04:23,300
and then walking along a beach on the

3264
02:04:26,050 --> 02:04:24,469
other side of the planet you know

3265
02:04:27,310 --> 02:04:26,060
decades later and finding the bottle

3266
02:04:29,020 --> 02:04:27,320
mean there are instances where this sort

3267
02:04:30,100 --> 02:04:29,030
of thing has happened their own message

3268
02:04:32,169 --> 02:04:30,110
is right there in the bottle that they

3269
02:04:33,760 --> 02:04:32,179
stooped down to pick up from decades

3270
02:04:35,950 --> 02:04:33,770
before and what that seems to show me is

3271
02:04:38,620 --> 02:04:35,960
that there is almost what my colleague

3272
02:04:41,830 --> 02:04:38,630
dr. maxim camera and i have referred to

3273
02:04:44,890 --> 02:04:41,840
as a a search engine like capacity

3274
02:04:47,350 --> 02:04:44,900
through which the web of reality seems

3275
02:04:50,229 --> 02:04:47,360
to interact with sentient intelligences

3276
02:04:52,660 --> 02:04:50,239
and beings like ourselves this idea that

3277
02:04:54,459 --> 02:04:52,670
there is a sort of a digitization of the

3278
02:04:56,950 --> 02:04:54,469
universe the universe doesn't have to be

3279
02:04:58,390 --> 02:04:56,960
a physical computer with with microchips

3280
02:05:00,580 --> 02:04:58,400
and wires and things like that but i

3281
02:05:02,919 --> 02:05:00,590
think the digital taking outside of the

3282
02:05:04,899 --> 02:05:02,929
purely technological context and looking

3283
02:05:08,410 --> 02:05:04,909
at digital as being evidence that a

3284
02:05:11,770 --> 02:05:08,420
universe like ours could be some variety

3285
02:05:13,390 --> 02:05:11,780
of a controlled simulation of sorts a

3286
02:05:15,310 --> 02:05:13,400
holographic court a sort of simulation

3287
02:05:16,840 --> 02:05:15,320
that allows us it provides a sort of a

3288
02:05:18,490 --> 02:05:16,850
framework i think philosophically and

3289
02:05:20,500 --> 02:05:18,500
scientifically for looking at these

3290
02:05:22,540 --> 02:05:20,510
strange synchronicities and the high

3291
02:05:24,250 --> 02:05:22,550
strangeness reports the the occurrences

3292
02:05:25,720 --> 02:05:24,260
the instances of the appearances of

3293
02:05:28,419 --> 02:05:25,730
beasts and beings and things like that

3294
02:05:30,310 --> 02:05:28,429
it takes it out of the the purely pseudo

3295
02:05:32,470 --> 02:05:30,320
scientific and the purely folkloric and

3296
02:05:34,720 --> 02:05:32,480
mythological and removes it and places

3297
02:05:36,609 --> 02:05:34,730
it again into a context where we can say

3298
02:05:38,979 --> 02:05:36,619
what if aspects of space-time in our

3299
02:05:41,770 --> 02:05:38,989
reality though not entirely physical

3300
02:05:43,570 --> 02:05:41,780
perhaps quasi physical by definition but

3301
02:05:45,910 --> 02:05:43,580
nonetheless these are at something that

3302
02:05:48,100 --> 02:05:45,920
are evidence of an intelligent

3303
02:05:49,209 --> 02:05:48,110
interaction going on in our midst I

3304
02:05:50,830 --> 02:05:49,219
think that that's really the way that I

3305
02:05:52,479 --> 02:05:50,840
like to approach cryptozoology and a

3306
02:05:55,209 --> 02:05:52,489
variety of other strange phenomena these

3307
02:05:57,100 --> 02:05:55,219
days because it seems to help me to

3308
02:05:58,720 --> 02:05:57,110
build a philosophical framework if

3309
02:06:00,640 --> 02:05:58,730
nothing else for the potentials that may

3310
02:06:03,100 --> 02:06:00,650
exist in terms of our universe and what

3311
02:06:05,169 --> 02:06:03,110
we perceive and by no means the only

3312
02:06:06,740 --> 02:06:05,179
individual who's postulated the notion

3313
02:06:08,600 --> 02:06:06,750
that our universe in our

3314
02:06:10,670 --> 02:06:08,610
we know it in the human perception at

3315
02:06:12,500 --> 02:06:10,680
large is just a you know an interaction

3316
02:06:15,350 --> 02:06:12,510
with a simulated environment of some

3317
02:06:17,330 --> 02:06:15,360
sort with a video game well you know in

3318
02:06:20,120 --> 02:06:17,340
a sense of virtual kind of reality yes

3319
02:06:22,100 --> 02:06:20,130
it's like the matrix right we're some

3320
02:06:24,470 --> 02:06:22,110
sort of software program from some like

3321
02:06:25,730 --> 02:06:24,480
young kid that developed it in the 11th

3322
02:06:27,320 --> 02:06:25,740
dimension or something you know and

3323
02:06:29,540 --> 02:06:27,330
we're just part of some sort of giant

3324
02:06:30,980 --> 02:06:29,550
computer simulation well how do we know

3325
02:06:32,900 --> 02:06:30,990
what we are you know but that's the

3326
02:06:34,010 --> 02:06:32,910
whole thing is that if synchronicity is

3327
02:06:37,190 --> 02:06:34,020
probably one of the most perplexing

3328
02:06:38,860 --> 02:06:37,200
things to me and in all my studies you

3329
02:06:40,460 --> 02:06:38,870
know more so than UFOs more so than

3330
02:06:42,800 --> 02:06:40,470
cryptozoology more so than anything

3331
02:06:43,940 --> 02:06:42,810
because the notion that the way that we

3332
02:06:46,730 --> 02:06:43,950
interact with our physical environment

3333
02:06:48,890 --> 02:06:46,740
could influence the actual nature of

3334
02:06:50,180 --> 02:06:48,900
space-time absolutely utterly fascinates

3335
02:06:51,680 --> 02:06:50,190
me and again it does seem to point to

3336
02:06:54,050 --> 02:06:51,690
the idea that maybe there's something a

3337
02:06:55,430 --> 02:06:54,060
little synthetic about the nature of

3338
02:06:57,710 --> 02:06:55,440
what we perceive as the world around us

3339
02:06:58,940 --> 02:06:57,720
I had a couple of girlfriends in college

3340
02:07:03,980 --> 02:06:58,950
that I could have sworn where were

3341
02:07:05,510 --> 02:07:03,990
synthetic but I've met a few people that

3342
02:07:07,670 --> 02:07:05,520
I've kind of had to scratch my head and

3343
02:07:10,070 --> 02:07:07,680
go is this guy for real you know I agree

3344
02:07:12,500 --> 02:07:10,080
I remember as a kid wondering if this

3345
02:07:14,630 --> 02:07:12,510
was all some sort of giant construct

3346
02:07:16,550 --> 02:07:14,640
that appeared to be real but but in

3347
02:07:19,700 --> 02:07:16,560
actuality was there was some sort of

3348
02:07:22,550 --> 02:07:19,710
structure or predetermination going on

3349
02:07:24,470 --> 02:07:22,560
of course I I don't really go there like

3350
02:07:26,180 --> 02:07:24,480
I did when I was 6 or 7 years old and

3351
02:07:28,430 --> 02:07:26,190
wonder if everybody is in the next room

3352
02:07:30,440 --> 02:07:28,440
memorizing their lines that sort of

3353
02:07:32,270 --> 02:07:30,450
thing but I think everybody at one point

3354
02:07:33,860 --> 02:07:32,280
in their in their life has this feeling

3355
02:07:37,460 --> 02:07:33,870
they look around and go is this really

3356
02:07:38,750 --> 02:07:37,470
real I know I do occasionally especially

3357
02:07:40,700 --> 02:07:38,760
when I'm out in the field and all sorts

3358
02:07:42,260 --> 02:07:40,710
of weird stuff is going on and people

3359
02:07:44,270 --> 02:07:42,270
are telling me you know stuff that's

3360
02:07:46,190 --> 02:07:44,280
just so far off the charts of

3361
02:07:48,290 --> 02:07:46,200
believability that the giggle factor

3362
02:07:50,810 --> 02:07:48,300
would run away from it it's kind of hard

3363
02:07:52,970 --> 02:07:50,820
not to have those thoughts so where are

3364
02:07:55,100 --> 02:07:52,980
we here in the conversation about your

3365
02:07:56,660 --> 02:07:55,110
book I really love the couple of case

3366
02:07:59,900 --> 02:07:56,670
studies that you had in there the whole

3367
02:08:03,380 --> 02:07:59,910
idea of futurists and transhumanism and

3368
02:08:05,210 --> 02:08:03,390
technology becoming self-aware where do

3369
02:08:07,670 --> 02:08:05,220
you think we could go with this subject

3370
02:08:10,010 --> 02:08:07,680
now that we've kind of given a brief

3371
02:08:11,660 --> 02:08:10,020
overview and dug into it a bit where are

3372
02:08:13,910 --> 02:08:11,670
you gonna take this this line of

3373
02:08:16,190 --> 02:08:13,920
research is I mentioned earlier there

3374
02:08:17,899 --> 02:08:16,200
are a lot of people who I interviewed

3375
02:08:20,060 --> 02:08:17,909
for the book and others who

3376
02:08:22,459 --> 02:08:20,070
gracefully declined the interview

3377
02:08:24,739 --> 02:08:22,469
because I was equated transhumanism

3378
02:08:27,020 --> 02:08:24,749
future technologies exist in

3379
02:08:29,390 --> 02:08:27,030
technologies the hyperbolic trend toward

3380
02:08:31,489 --> 02:08:29,400
growth a greater than exponential growth

3381
02:08:33,199 --> 02:08:31,499
in the rate of Technology itself and

3382
02:08:35,479 --> 02:08:33,209
then of course the idea of artificial

3383
02:08:37,339 --> 02:08:35,489
intelligence when we look at these sorts

3384
02:08:39,770 --> 02:08:37,349
of things and I try and pair those

3385
02:08:42,080 --> 02:08:39,780
amidst UFOs a lot of the people who are

3386
02:08:43,459 --> 02:08:42,090
experts in those various fields didn't

3387
02:08:45,709 --> 02:08:43,469
see where I was going with it a few of

3388
02:08:47,179 --> 02:08:45,719
them graciously accepted and consented

3389
02:08:48,469 --> 02:08:47,189
to doing interviews with me if you

3390
02:08:49,520 --> 02:08:48,479
haven't just said you know maybe next

3391
02:08:51,350 --> 02:08:49,530
year Thanks

3392
02:08:52,759 --> 02:08:51,360
good luck with the book nice way of at

3393
02:08:54,080 --> 02:08:52,769
least saying we're not interested in

3394
02:08:56,509 --> 02:08:54,090
being associated with the subject matter

3395
02:08:58,250 --> 02:08:56,519
I think that what I would like to see in

3396
02:09:00,080 --> 02:08:58,260
terms of having you presented this

3397
02:09:02,509 --> 02:09:00,090
argument in terms of you know what

3398
02:09:04,729 --> 02:09:02,519
appear to be UFO craft rather are what

3399
02:09:07,219 --> 02:09:04,739
appear to be technology that exceeds

3400
02:09:09,169 --> 02:09:07,229
natural human technologies available to

3401
02:09:11,390 --> 02:09:09,179
us and intelligent that we are at

3402
02:09:13,040 --> 02:09:11,400
present capable of if we have technology

3403
02:09:14,989 --> 02:09:13,050
that appears to exceed the known

3404
02:09:17,089 --> 02:09:14,999
technologies here on planet earth can we

3405
02:09:18,979 --> 02:09:17,099
look at that in a sense you know kind of

3406
02:09:21,319 --> 02:09:18,989
focused on that as being a goal and then

3407
02:09:23,540 --> 02:09:21,329
try and utilize the growth of technology

3408
02:09:24,830 --> 02:09:23,550
trending toward a better understanding

3409
02:09:26,779 --> 02:09:24,840
of those kinds of technologies will that

3410
02:09:28,640 --> 02:09:26,789
aid us in the long run in terms of

3411
02:09:30,560 --> 02:09:28,650
getting us maybe off of terra firma

3412
02:09:32,600 --> 02:09:30,570
could help in cosmological you know

3413
02:09:34,040 --> 02:09:32,610
space exploration and things along these

3414
02:09:36,140 --> 02:09:34,050
lines it could help in terms of

3415
02:09:38,540 --> 02:09:36,150
producing food sources and dealing with

3416
02:09:40,100 --> 02:09:38,550
scarcity and those kinds of issues that

3417
02:09:42,020 --> 02:09:40,110
really do hit home in terms of our

3418
02:09:42,859 --> 02:09:42,030
survival as a species and a civilization

3419
02:09:44,779 --> 02:09:42,869
here on planet Earth

3420
02:09:46,520 --> 02:09:44,789
so I would love to be able to take this

3421
02:09:48,469 --> 02:09:46,530
concept looking at our own technology

3422
02:09:50,989 --> 02:09:48,479
what technologies may exist but that

3423
02:09:53,149 --> 02:09:50,999
remain clandestine looking at how alien

3424
02:09:54,830 --> 02:09:53,159
technologies elsewhere might utilize a

3425
02:09:56,659 --> 02:09:54,840
similar progression through

3426
02:09:59,209 --> 02:09:56,669
technological stages in their

3427
02:10:00,919 --> 02:09:59,219
advancement as a civilization compare

3428
02:10:02,449 --> 02:10:00,929
that to our own and better understand

3429
02:10:03,919 --> 02:10:02,459
the potentials for alien life existing

3430
02:10:05,359 --> 02:10:03,929
elsewhere and then of course looking at

3431
02:10:07,399 --> 02:10:05,369
the nature of space-time and and

3432
02:10:09,589 --> 02:10:07,409
dimensions as we might call them

3433
02:10:11,600 --> 02:10:09,599
physical universes and things like that

3434
02:10:14,390 --> 02:10:11,610
and how those aspects could play into

3435
02:10:16,489 --> 02:10:14,400
the appearance of non-human advanced

3436
02:10:18,409 --> 02:10:16,499
intelligences take all those think and

3437
02:10:21,020 --> 02:10:18,419
let's bring this together and look at it

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[Music]

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02:15:01,990 --> 02:15:00,190
this show is not going to the dogs

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02:15:04,030 --> 02:15:02,000
ladies and gentlemen on the power cast

3541
02:15:06,640 --> 02:15:04,040
in our neighborhood where we record the

3542
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show we have no way of filtering out the

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sounds of barking dogs who are debating

3544
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the singularity and whether the entire

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universe is a computerized simulation

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that may not be sane as John keel said

3547
02:15:23,200 --> 02:15:20,330
there you go the book is called the UFO

3548
02:15:25,600 --> 02:15:23,210
singularity with Micah Hanks we have a

3549
02:15:28,240 --> 02:15:25,610
couple of more segments to go and Chris

3550
02:15:30,400 --> 02:15:28,250
there were one or two questions in our

3551
02:15:31,780 --> 02:15:30,410
forums you want to move into those and

3552
02:15:34,090 --> 02:15:31,790
then we'll get back to these discussions

3553
02:15:36,550 --> 02:15:34,100
here's a good question from Conrad

3554
02:15:39,280 --> 02:15:36,560
Hartman who's been a member of the

3555
02:15:42,610 --> 02:15:39,290
parrot cast forum at forum dr. Peric

3556
02:15:43,870 --> 02:15:42,620
ascom for almost a year from time to

3557
02:15:45,430 --> 02:15:43,880
time he chimes in with some pretty

3558
02:15:48,610 --> 02:15:45,440
interesting questions and I think he has

3559
02:15:51,240 --> 02:15:48,620
one here we've talked about UFOs in the

3560
02:15:54,160 --> 02:15:51,250
future so we'll just kind of have to

3561
02:15:57,280 --> 02:15:54,170
look at this and then address is

3562
02:15:59,860 --> 02:15:57,290
implication if UFOs may be traveling

3563
02:16:01,960 --> 02:15:59,870
from the future maybe not today create

3564
02:16:03,760 --> 02:16:01,970
the UFOs that we encounter does this

3565
02:16:07,060 --> 02:16:03,770
imply that we have a choice in what we

3566
02:16:09,280 --> 02:16:07,070
may begin to see might we view abduction

3567
02:16:12,100 --> 02:16:09,290
phenomena as eina as the nefarious

3568
02:16:14,050 --> 02:16:12,110
outcomes of human actions today those

3569
02:16:16,870 --> 02:16:14,060
are all important questions to ask

3570
02:16:19,990 --> 02:16:16,880
indeed I I would argue that if we are

3571
02:16:22,900 --> 02:16:20,000
not behind various advanced you know

3572
02:16:24,790 --> 02:16:22,910
intelligences or rather what appear to

3573
02:16:26,980 --> 02:16:24,800
be advanced technological presences in

3574
02:16:28,660 --> 02:16:26,990
our midst UFOs flying through our skies

3575
02:16:31,630 --> 02:16:28,670
and like if that's nothing that is

3576
02:16:33,250 --> 02:16:31,640
earthbound but we study seriously the

3577
02:16:35,890 --> 02:16:33,260
potentials for harnessing similar

3578
02:16:39,010 --> 02:16:35,900
technologies on our own then yes we will

3579
02:16:40,990 --> 02:16:39,020
inevitably trend toward technologies

3580
02:16:42,730 --> 02:16:41,000
that are capable of doing what we see

3581
02:16:44,980 --> 02:16:42,740
UFOs doing and then when we look at the

3582
02:16:46,419 --> 02:16:44,990
the abduction scenario now that's an

3583
02:16:48,370 --> 02:16:46,429
interesting one because and I do get

3584
02:16:50,650 --> 02:16:48,380
into this just a little in the book like

3585
02:16:52,360 --> 02:16:50,660
Kevin Randle who I heard say this on the

3586
02:16:53,860 --> 02:16:52,370
peer cast in fact he had he had

3587
02:16:57,160 --> 02:16:53,870
mentioned that he felt that there are

3588
02:16:59,589 --> 02:16:57,170
very few explanations for alien

3589
02:17:02,560 --> 02:16:59,599
abduction that have to go beyond planet

3590
02:17:04,600 --> 02:17:02,570
Earth I I do agree largely largely with

3591
02:17:06,070 --> 02:17:04,610
that but I would also say that I don't

3592
02:17:08,020 --> 02:17:06,080
want to sound like I'm being

3593
02:17:09,459 --> 02:17:08,030
you know dismissive of the claims of

3594
02:17:12,010 --> 02:17:09,469
those who have actually been through a

3595
02:17:13,660 --> 02:17:12,020
an abduction experience Charles Hickson

3596
02:17:16,060 --> 02:17:13,670
and Calvin Parker I bring this one up

3597
02:17:18,220 --> 02:17:16,070
often but in 1973 being abducted there

3598
02:17:18,580 --> 02:17:18,230
Pascagoula Mississippi that was a big

3599
02:17:20,140 --> 02:17:18,590
one

3600
02:17:22,419 --> 02:17:20,150
because again we see a physical craft

3601
02:17:23,800 --> 02:17:22,429
come down at lands non-human entities

3602
02:17:24,339 --> 02:17:23,810
take those two gentlemen aboard the

3603
02:17:26,140 --> 02:17:24,349
craft

3604
02:17:28,180 --> 02:17:26,150
there's returned after a few minutes

3605
02:17:29,919 --> 02:17:28,190
they're very very shaken up they're

3606
02:17:32,080 --> 02:17:29,929
taken to the local sheriff's department

3607
02:17:33,520 --> 02:17:32,090
they're recorded unbeknownst to them and

3608
02:17:36,040 --> 02:17:33,530
of course even when there was no one

3609
02:17:37,780 --> 02:17:36,050
else in the room the men weren't you

3610
02:17:39,700 --> 02:17:37,790
know corroborating on a lie they were

3611
02:17:42,400 --> 02:17:39,710
they were they you know continued to

3612
02:17:44,919 --> 02:17:42,410
sound very disturbed and and terrified

3613
02:17:46,209 --> 02:17:44,929
very distressed by what had happened and

3614
02:17:48,610 --> 02:17:46,219
they kept it or they rather they

3615
02:17:50,770 --> 02:17:48,620
maintained the details for the large

3616
02:17:52,270 --> 02:17:50,780
part in terms of what they remembered

3617
02:17:54,940 --> 02:17:52,280
occurring that night of the abduction

3618
02:17:56,050 --> 02:17:54,950
throughout their lives so it's very

3619
02:17:57,610 --> 02:17:56,060
interesting because there are some

3620
02:17:59,260 --> 02:17:57,620
instances that definitely seem to point

3621
02:18:01,209 --> 02:17:59,270
went to there being something going on

3622
02:18:02,740 --> 02:18:01,219
but might not be quite human I'd like to

3623
02:18:04,120 --> 02:18:02,750
think that the things that took Charles

3624
02:18:06,370 --> 02:18:04,130
Hickson and Calvin Parker aboard that

3625
02:18:09,669 --> 02:18:06,380
craft weren't human by the same token

3626
02:18:11,860 --> 02:18:09,679
there are I would think in a majority of

3627
02:18:14,440 --> 02:18:11,870
and I yes I say a majority of cases

3628
02:18:16,629 --> 02:18:14,450
pertaining to alien abduction instances

3629
02:18:19,450 --> 02:18:16,639
and explanations that seem to point to

3630
02:18:21,100 --> 02:18:19,460
me back to a human component in this

3631
02:18:23,709 --> 02:18:21,110
does that get into the you know the

3632
02:18:26,200 --> 02:18:23,719
government conspiracies or mylabs or

3633
02:18:27,790 --> 02:18:26,210
things like that who knows I don't begin

3634
02:18:29,530 --> 02:18:27,800
to try and know those things myself

3635
02:18:31,089 --> 02:18:29,540
could it be the time travelers from the

3636
02:18:33,790 --> 02:18:31,099
future are trying to improve themselves

3637
02:18:35,860 --> 02:18:33,800
by going back in time and and you know

3638
02:18:38,260 --> 02:18:35,870
modifying and operating on human beings

3639
02:18:39,280 --> 02:18:38,270
for whatever reason I suspect that's not

3640
02:18:40,750 --> 02:18:39,290
the case but it's certainly a

3641
02:18:42,580 --> 02:18:40,760
possibility and a potential that we have

3642
02:18:44,620 --> 02:18:42,590
to we have to entertain it very least

3643
02:18:46,480 --> 02:18:44,630
but I don't think and this is the bottom

3644
02:18:49,150 --> 02:18:46,490
line I don't think that the alien

3645
02:18:51,550 --> 02:18:49,160
abduction phenomena is exactly what

3646
02:18:53,440 --> 02:18:51,560
maybe Budd Hopkins and and then several

3647
02:18:54,970 --> 02:18:53,450
others have have strived to try and

3648
02:18:57,459 --> 02:18:54,980
document over the years that's a part of

3649
02:18:59,200 --> 02:18:57,469
it but on a perceptual level this is

3650
02:19:00,910 --> 02:18:59,210
what we perceive it as being you know

3651
02:19:02,950 --> 02:19:00,920
the interactions with these grey aliens

3652
02:19:04,690 --> 02:19:02,960
and these beings I think that there's a

3653
02:19:06,520 --> 02:19:04,700
lot more to it I think it a lot of it

3654
02:19:08,770 --> 02:19:06,530
has to do with not so much the physical

3655
02:19:11,770 --> 02:19:08,780
interactions but the way that humans and

3656
02:19:15,010 --> 02:19:11,780
the human mind interprets certain things

3657
02:19:15,879 --> 02:19:15,020
and the resultant phenomena as a result

3658
02:19:19,450 --> 02:19:15,889
of those interactions and

3659
02:19:21,490 --> 02:19:19,460
interpretations a good point I

3660
02:19:23,290 --> 02:19:21,500
really don't know what to what to think

3661
02:19:25,830 --> 02:19:23,300
about the abduction phenomenon as it's

3662
02:19:28,959 --> 02:19:25,840
been covered by the well-known research

3663
02:19:32,290 --> 02:19:28,969
community the Hopkins of Jacobs of John

3664
02:19:34,810 --> 02:19:32,300
Carpenter and I've always wondered why

3665
02:19:36,850 --> 02:19:34,820
it is that certain researchers tend to

3666
02:19:39,190 --> 02:19:36,860
attract the exact kind of case that

3667
02:19:40,990 --> 02:19:39,200
there seems to support whatever whatever

3668
02:19:44,049 --> 02:19:41,000
theory they have to explain the the

3669
02:19:46,299 --> 02:19:44,059
mystery I find it interesting that real

3670
02:19:48,940 --> 02:19:46,309
negative encounters or alleged

3671
02:19:51,190 --> 02:19:48,950
encounters aren't featured in leo

3672
02:19:53,640 --> 02:19:51,200
sprinkles work or a Barbara lamb or some

3673
02:19:56,110 --> 02:19:53,650
of the other more benevolent et

3674
02:19:58,390 --> 02:19:56,120
believers I think I can use that term

3675
02:20:01,630 --> 02:19:58,400
it's interesting that's it's almost like

3676
02:20:04,719 --> 02:20:01,640
you know particular researcher has is

3677
02:20:07,570 --> 02:20:04,729
has this particular view of this in in

3678
02:20:09,850 --> 02:20:07,580
the cases that are attracted to him tend

3679
02:20:12,730 --> 02:20:09,860
to support that view another thing that

3680
02:20:15,670 --> 02:20:12,740
I find also very interesting is is the

3681
02:20:17,610 --> 02:20:15,680
assertion by dr. Steven Greer that the

3682
02:20:21,070 --> 02:20:17,620
abductions if they're negative are

3683
02:20:22,840 --> 02:20:21,080
solely due to to the military that the

3684
02:20:25,090 --> 02:20:22,850
abduction phenomenon is completely

3685
02:20:27,060 --> 02:20:25,100
homespun it's it's the military doing

3686
02:20:30,760 --> 02:20:27,070
psyops and that sort of thing and and

3687
02:20:35,050 --> 02:20:30,770
discounting the possibility that ETS who

3688
02:20:36,670 --> 02:20:35,060
he feels are universally benevolent are

3689
02:20:39,430 --> 02:20:36,680
not responsible for some of the horrific

3690
02:20:42,010 --> 02:20:39,440
you know encounters that people have

3691
02:20:43,930 --> 02:20:42,020
reported I I do tend to agree with you

3692
02:20:45,969 --> 02:20:43,940
on this and Kevin Randle I think there's

3693
02:20:48,100 --> 02:20:45,979
a lot of prosaic explanations that need

3694
02:20:49,960 --> 02:20:48,110
to be looked at before you jump to the

3695
02:20:53,290 --> 02:20:49,970
highest range one of the most

3696
02:20:56,320 --> 02:20:53,300
interesting explanations to potentially

3697
02:20:59,380 --> 02:20:56,330
explain at least the mechanism behind

3698
02:21:02,680 --> 02:20:59,390
this or how it actually happens was told

3699
02:21:04,930 --> 02:21:02,690
to Hoyt Velarde who is was a longtime

3700
02:21:06,670 --> 02:21:04,940
head of department of public safety at

3701
02:21:09,310 --> 02:21:06,680
the Hickory Apache reservation and

3702
02:21:12,850 --> 02:21:09,320
during his spiritual training he asked

3703
02:21:15,130 --> 02:21:12,860
his grandfather many years ago what he

3704
02:21:19,870 --> 02:21:15,140
thought of this whole idea of of

3705
02:21:22,420 --> 02:21:19,880
abductions and and without going into a

3706
02:21:25,060 --> 02:21:22,430
long-winded explanation which actually

3707
02:21:28,030 --> 02:21:25,070
there wasn't one but the bottom line I

3708
02:21:29,980 --> 02:21:28,040
think of his answer was it you know

3709
02:21:31,360 --> 02:21:29,990
you're not taken out of your bed

3710
02:21:33,730 --> 02:21:31,370
your room through the wall through a

3711
02:21:36,280 --> 02:21:33,740
window and up to a ship the ship

3712
02:21:38,530 --> 02:21:36,290
actually forms around you and that kind

3713
02:21:39,490 --> 02:21:38,540
of that hints hints at some of the

3714
02:21:41,801 --> 02:21:39,500
things that we've been talking about

3715
02:21:44,591 --> 02:21:41,811
today that there is some sort of you

3716
02:21:45,370 --> 02:21:44,601
know potential for for you know by

3717
02:21:47,711 --> 02:21:45,380
location

3718
02:21:49,961 --> 02:21:47,721
you know occupying two different places

3719
02:21:53,220 --> 02:21:49,971
and times at the same at the same time

3720
02:21:55,810 --> 02:21:53,230
and I always found that fascinating

3721
02:21:58,511 --> 02:21:55,820
coming from a Native American medicine

3722
02:22:01,120 --> 02:21:58,521
man that you're not taken to the ship

3723
02:22:02,801 --> 02:22:01,130
the ship actually forms around you yes

3724
02:22:04,711 --> 02:22:02,811
but why can't you also assume the

3725
02:22:08,020 --> 02:22:04,721
experience is totally in their minds I

3726
02:22:11,040 --> 02:22:08,030
think a lot of cases that is the case

3727
02:22:14,530 --> 02:22:11,050
but there are a number of cases that

3728
02:22:18,070 --> 02:22:14,540
that I think you can't explain away that

3729
02:22:20,470 --> 02:22:18,080
easily and there I think there are a lot

3730
02:22:23,200 --> 02:22:20,480
rare and fewer and farther between and

3731
02:22:26,620 --> 02:22:23,210
then your abduction research community

3732
02:22:28,961 --> 02:22:26,630
would like to to believe I've heard you

3733
02:22:30,310 --> 02:22:28,971
know incredible you know figures about

3734
02:22:32,860 --> 02:22:30,320
how millions of people are getting

3735
02:22:35,110 --> 02:22:32,870
abducted and it to me that just doesn't

3736
02:22:37,270 --> 02:22:35,120
it doesn't wash and it doesn't it

3737
02:22:40,440 --> 02:22:37,280
doesn't make sense why would you need to

3738
02:22:44,551 --> 02:22:40,450
abduct somebody if you were an advanced

3739
02:22:47,350 --> 02:22:44,561
race or an advanced intelligence and

3740
02:22:49,660 --> 02:22:47,360
utilize you know a level of technology

3741
02:22:51,100 --> 02:22:49,670
that we've already surpassed it it just

3742
02:22:52,650 --> 02:22:51,110
doesn't make sense or something about it

3743
02:22:55,631 --> 02:22:52,660
that just doesn't make sense

3744
02:22:58,600 --> 02:22:55,641
I would assume also if you want to take

3745
02:23:00,990 --> 02:22:58,610
samples of the local populace you'd need

3746
02:23:03,490 --> 02:23:01,000
like male-female different racial

3747
02:23:05,320 --> 02:23:03,500
characteristics a few of each and that's

3748
02:23:08,080 --> 02:23:05,330
it not hundreds not thousands not

3749
02:23:09,940 --> 02:23:08,090
millions you'd think so but but again I

3750
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would also put this out there that what

3751
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a human survey of animal life on a

3752
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distant planet might be could be

3753
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different from that of an

3754
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extraterrestrial intelligence that has

3755
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evolved and maybe is more evolved more

3756
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intelligent than we are so their reasons

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and motivations and maybe the necessity

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for landings and and of course

3759
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abductions and things like that in

3760
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scientific studies the reasons the

3761
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methodologies employed may be vastly

3762
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different I think that in terms of

3763
02:23:38,140 --> 02:23:36,530
trying to apply logic to alien abduction

3764
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phenomena we inherently and it almost

3765
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inescapably will anthropomorphize

3766
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alien visitors are presumed alien

3767
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visitors but something like that you

3768
02:23:47,370 --> 02:23:45,760
brought up genius well but what if these

3769
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things are all in the mind what I would

3770
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ask is and I honestly feel that probably

3771
02:23:53,070 --> 02:23:51,760
more than half of all alien abductions

3772
02:23:56,040 --> 02:23:53,080
putting up the air quotes do occur in

3773
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the mind of the abductee but I don't

3774
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necessarily think that the fact that it

3775
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is a mental construct precludes the

3776
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possibility that there's something

3777
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actually occurring between two

3778
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intelligences it wouldn't have to be in

3779
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other words in my mind that it's

3780
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something would be entirely physical for

3781
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it to be a valid phenomenon it could be

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some kind of interaction on our

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subconscious all over again perhaps

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believing with gene and chris the dogs

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are still here still making noises still

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arguing over whether ufos are really et

3887
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we have Micah Hanks author of the UFO

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singularity we continue with an amazing

3889
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set of discussions Chris Micah one

3890
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element that has always intrigued me

3891
02:29:20,510 --> 02:29:16,560
about the paranormal or potential

3892
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paranormal is the the Tibetan concept of

3893
02:29:27,620 --> 02:29:25,770
the Tulpa or a created life-form

3894
02:29:30,229 --> 02:29:27,630
basically that is temporal in nature

3895
02:29:35,649 --> 02:29:30,239
it's generally considered to be a

3896
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temporary I wouldn't even know how to be

3897
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Nigeria Tibetan High Tibetan Lamas are

3898
02:29:42,859 --> 02:29:41,130
able to manufacture Porter's out of thin

3899
02:29:43,819 --> 02:29:42,869
air to carry their bags up the mountain

3900
02:29:46,599 --> 02:29:43,829
and then once they get to their

3901
02:29:48,800 --> 02:29:46,609
destination they are there dissolved

3902
02:29:51,229 --> 02:29:48,810
where do you come down on the whole idea

3903
02:29:53,240 --> 02:29:51,239
of the Toba I think it would be really

3904
02:29:55,280 --> 02:29:53,250
easy to dismiss it all as being just oh

3905
02:29:58,160 --> 02:29:55,290
you know the imaginations of or the

3906
02:30:00,830 --> 02:29:58,170
cultural interpretations of this or that

3907
02:30:02,840 --> 02:30:00,840
and any any you know indigenous you know

3908
02:30:04,969 --> 02:30:02,850
culture anywhere around the world but

3909
02:30:06,500 --> 02:30:04,979
I've studied TOPAS quite a bit and I

3910
02:30:08,179 --> 02:30:06,510
hear that my friend David Weatherly will

3911
02:30:10,219 --> 02:30:08,189
be writing a book about toklas before

3912
02:30:12,109 --> 02:30:10,229
long as well be interested in seeing

3913
02:30:13,670 --> 02:30:12,119
that I know that when we take it back to

3914
02:30:15,740 --> 02:30:13,680
John keel he talked about of course the

3915
02:30:18,080 --> 02:30:15,750
Tibetan Lamas talking about the creation

3916
02:30:20,840 --> 02:30:18,090
of an intelligence or of a sentient

3917
02:30:22,880 --> 02:30:20,850
being through an intense - focused Foss

3918
02:30:24,679 --> 02:30:22,890
and then in my research for the book

3919
02:30:28,189 --> 02:30:24,689
magic mysticism and a molecule I dug

3920
02:30:30,649 --> 02:30:28,199
into the Hebrew book of formation as it

3921
02:30:32,599 --> 02:30:30,659
pertained to golem legends and things

3922
02:30:34,530 --> 02:30:32,609
like this the mahalo frog who in the

3923
02:30:37,800 --> 02:30:34,540
1500s you know had created a

3924
02:30:39,690 --> 02:30:37,810
a golem their human nucleus or what are

3925
02:30:43,650 --> 02:30:39,700
they the theirs what's the other type

3926
02:30:45,480 --> 02:30:43,660
that you human nucleus a homunculus

3927
02:30:46,980 --> 02:30:45,490
ridonkulous there we go

3928
02:30:49,140 --> 02:30:46,990
yeah you know there are a lot of

3929
02:30:51,240 --> 02:30:49,150
different legends associated with the

3930
02:30:53,130 --> 02:30:51,250
creation of artificial humans which they

3931
02:30:54,390 --> 02:30:53,140
tell me this how is that different from

3932
02:30:55,680 --> 02:30:54,400
the notion of creation of artificial

3933
02:30:57,840 --> 02:30:55,690
intelligence if we were to look at a

3934
02:30:59,970 --> 02:30:57,850
historic lineage of the creation of

3935
02:31:02,190 --> 02:30:59,980
artificial intelligence you have to look

3936
02:31:05,460 --> 02:31:02,200
at all the golems all the Tulpas all the

3937
02:31:07,261 --> 02:31:05,470
homunculi that have arisen over time you

3938
02:31:08,670 --> 02:31:07,271
know and all the the androids that we

3939
02:31:10,860 --> 02:31:08,680
suppose that we might be able to create

3940
02:31:13,740 --> 02:31:10,870
technologically in the future it seems

3941
02:31:15,900 --> 02:31:13,750
to be in other words a trend that is

3942
02:31:18,690 --> 02:31:15,910
emerging here and that trend has to do

3943
02:31:21,690 --> 02:31:18,700
with the fact that humans innately are

3944
02:31:23,310 --> 02:31:21,700
always aspiring to create you know like

3945
02:31:25,650 --> 02:31:23,320
the legends of the judeo-christian Bible

3946
02:31:27,480 --> 02:31:25,660
that show that God made Adam in His

3947
02:31:28,890 --> 02:31:27,490
image humans are doing the very same

3948
02:31:31,140 --> 02:31:28,900
sort of thing and I would have argued

3949
02:31:32,970 --> 02:31:31,150
that as opposed to taking that a literal

3950
02:31:34,650 --> 02:31:32,980
religious interpretation of the Bible

3951
02:31:36,600 --> 02:31:34,660
God became and he in the seven days

3952
02:31:39,900 --> 02:31:36,610
created you know whatever I would say

3953
02:31:41,490 --> 02:31:39,910
that maybe human kind okay or even life

3954
02:31:43,440 --> 02:31:41,500
as we know it on earth or anywhere else

3955
02:31:45,200 --> 02:31:43,450
in the universe could have been an

3956
02:31:47,460 --> 02:31:45,210
experiment in artificial intelligence

3957
02:31:48,390 --> 02:31:47,470
unto itself and that we are the

3958
02:31:50,670 --> 02:31:48,400
homunculi

3959
02:31:52,500 --> 02:31:50,680
if you will of some vast intelligence

3960
02:31:54,511 --> 02:31:52,510
perhaps and non-physical intelligence

3961
02:31:55,980 --> 02:31:54,521
elsewhere in the universe and maybe the

3962
02:31:57,990 --> 02:31:55,990
next stage after the creation of

3963
02:32:00,600 --> 02:31:58,000
physical intelligence here will be the

3964
02:32:02,040 --> 02:32:00,610
byproduct of our advanced technologies

3965
02:32:05,120 --> 02:32:02,050
of the future and that by-product will

3966
02:32:07,011 --> 02:32:05,130
be the digitization of advanced

3967
02:32:09,450 --> 02:32:07,021
intelligences that are not our own

3968
02:32:11,670 --> 02:32:09,460
perhaps we had a hand in creating them

3969
02:32:13,470 --> 02:32:11,680
but they go forth just like the atom

3970
02:32:15,150 --> 02:32:13,480
that we become the atom and even and

3971
02:32:15,480 --> 02:32:15,160
they go forth and they create something

3972
02:32:18,120 --> 02:32:15,490
else

3973
02:32:19,530 --> 02:32:18,130
it's a perplexing even at times of

3974
02:32:20,761 --> 02:32:19,540
troubling prospects but I think that

3975
02:32:23,250 --> 02:32:20,771
again when we look at old portable

3976
02:32:24,960 --> 02:32:23,260
phenomenon and golems and things like

3977
02:32:27,000 --> 02:32:24,970
this it shows that in our culture it's

3978
02:32:29,490 --> 02:32:27,010
rooted in our existence that humanity is

3979
02:32:31,261 --> 02:32:29,500
trying to create others in our image

3980
02:32:33,210 --> 02:32:31,271
something that is so innate to us that

3981
02:32:35,730 --> 02:32:33,220
you know we go through this and in terms

3982
02:32:37,140 --> 02:32:35,740
of the circle of life you know and the

3983
02:32:39,390 --> 02:32:37,150
way that we've evolved as a species you

3984
02:32:41,580 --> 02:32:39,400
know the creation of of more humans

3985
02:32:43,410 --> 02:32:41,590
through reproduction processes we're

3986
02:32:45,570 --> 02:32:43,420
always trying to create others like us

3987
02:32:46,890 --> 02:32:45,580
all the while looking for others out

3988
02:32:47,429 --> 02:32:46,900
there that may have had something to do

3989
02:32:49,859 --> 02:32:47,439
with Korea

3990
02:32:50,519 --> 02:32:49,869
eating us as we know it and that's a

3991
02:32:53,330 --> 02:32:50,529
good point

3992
02:32:57,029 --> 02:32:53,340
you know you brought up the the cultural

3993
02:32:58,979 --> 02:32:57,039
aspect of tapas and how it you know it

3994
02:33:03,210 --> 02:32:58,989
could be easily dismissed is just some

3995
02:33:06,000 --> 02:33:03,220
sort of sub cultural belief that maybe

3996
02:33:07,769 --> 02:33:06,010
mythic in nature there there's a pretty

3997
02:33:09,500 --> 02:33:07,779
interesting story though in my in my

3998
02:33:12,660 --> 02:33:09,510
book because talking the tricksters of

3999
02:33:14,580 --> 02:33:12,670
Alexander David Neil who went was one of

4000
02:33:17,960 --> 02:33:14,590
the first Western women actually to go

4001
02:33:21,929 --> 02:33:17,970
to Tibet and she did quite an extensive

4002
02:33:25,080 --> 02:33:21,939
I guess systematic learning and in

4003
02:33:26,670 --> 02:33:25,090
studying in in a variety of meditation

4004
02:33:29,069 --> 02:33:26,680
techniques and and she claims that she

4005
02:33:32,189 --> 02:33:29,079
was able to actually create a Tulpa at

4006
02:33:34,170 --> 02:33:32,199
one point but she didn't really have the

4007
02:33:35,519 --> 02:33:34,180
knowledge of how to make it go away and

4008
02:33:38,189 --> 02:33:35,529
it started becoming more and more

4009
02:33:41,399 --> 02:33:38,199
self-aware intended to start copying an

4010
02:33:42,989 --> 02:33:41,409
attitude it wouldn't mind her and it was

4011
02:33:47,819 --> 02:33:42,999
only through intense after that she was

4012
02:33:49,979 --> 02:33:47,829
able to banish it it's just I think we

4013
02:33:52,410 --> 02:33:49,989
live in a wonderful reality we don't I

4014
02:33:54,540 --> 02:33:52,420
don't think we really fully you know

4015
02:33:58,019 --> 02:33:54,550
have a complete awareness of the

4016
02:34:00,510 --> 02:33:58,029
potential out there and in some you know

4017
02:34:02,219 --> 02:34:00,520
back corner of some jungle somewhere

4018
02:34:04,800 --> 02:34:02,229
there may be some sort of shamanic

4019
02:34:07,050 --> 02:34:04,810
substance that allows the human mind to

4020
02:34:08,760 --> 02:34:07,060
be utilized in ways that that you know

4021
02:34:11,550 --> 02:34:08,770
in the modern technological age we we

4022
02:34:15,389 --> 02:34:11,560
couldn't conceive of and you know your

4023
02:34:17,519 --> 02:34:15,399
your book your prior book it goes into

4024
02:34:20,069 --> 02:34:17,529
this whole line of thinking and right I

4025
02:34:21,479 --> 02:34:20,079
think this is a brave new world and you

4026
02:34:22,920 --> 02:34:21,489
know what's what's next speaking of a

4027
02:34:24,689 --> 02:34:22,930
brave new world what's next on your

4028
02:34:27,689 --> 02:34:24,699
agenda what it what are you currently

4029
02:34:30,269 --> 02:34:27,699
working on for your next projects I was

4030
02:34:31,620 --> 02:34:30,279
asked about three years ago and I

4031
02:34:34,080 --> 02:34:31,630
finally enough you know between magic

4032
02:34:35,399 --> 02:34:34,090
mysticism of the molecule and this UFO

4033
02:34:37,500 --> 02:34:35,409
singularity book there was another book

4034
02:34:39,779 --> 02:34:37,510
that was authored earlier this year

4035
02:34:42,449 --> 02:34:39,789
called Reynolds mansion invitation to

4036
02:34:44,519 --> 02:34:42,459
the past kind of looks at you know

4037
02:34:46,380 --> 02:34:44,529
besakih phenomenon ghosts and things

4038
02:34:48,090 --> 02:34:46,390
like that and it was more of a regional

4039
02:34:50,160 --> 02:34:48,100
book in my Western North Carolina but

4040
02:34:52,349 --> 02:34:50,170
nonetheless having authored these three

4041
02:34:53,849 --> 02:34:52,359
and looking back I remember when the

4042
02:34:55,290 --> 02:34:53,859
first book came out I was asked what the

4043
02:34:56,969 --> 02:34:55,300
next one would be about and really I

4044
02:34:59,880 --> 02:34:56,979
said then that I felt that the next

4045
02:35:00,870 --> 02:34:59,890
sizable contribution would be about UFOs

4046
02:35:02,280 --> 02:35:00,880
and had

4047
02:35:04,860 --> 02:35:02,290
been asked a similar question here I'm

4048
02:35:07,820 --> 02:35:04,870
looking at psychic phenomenon and how

4049
02:35:09,660 --> 02:35:07,830
that may relate to singularity and

4050
02:35:11,100 --> 02:35:09,670
technologies of the future I think that

4051
02:35:12,330 --> 02:35:11,110
there's a good potential as we touched

4052
02:35:14,190 --> 02:35:12,340
on a bit during this interview toward

4053
02:35:15,810 --> 02:35:14,200
the beginning that yeah we're gonna be

4054
02:35:17,130 --> 02:35:15,820
seeing functional telepathy and other

4055
02:35:18,780 --> 02:35:17,140
kinds of what we would call psychic

4056
02:35:21,179 --> 02:35:18,790
phenomenon that are achieved through

4057
02:35:22,770 --> 02:35:21,189
technology in the coming years yeah I

4058
02:35:25,230 --> 02:35:22,780
know there's there's some very good work

4059
02:35:28,889 --> 02:35:25,240
being done that I think the scientific

4060
02:35:32,010 --> 02:35:28,899
community pretty much I think it

4061
02:35:37,469 --> 02:35:32,020
generally dismisses but you know the

4062
02:35:39,960 --> 02:35:37,479
work of Dean Radin Stanley Cooper ray

4063
02:35:43,620 --> 02:35:39,970
Stanford's brother Rex Stanford there

4064
02:35:45,240 --> 02:35:43,630
are some very very compelling research

4065
02:35:49,460 --> 02:35:45,250
results that would indicate that there

4066
02:35:52,100 --> 02:35:49,470
there is the human mind has an amazing

4067
02:35:54,960 --> 02:35:52,110
capabilities and certain individuals

4068
02:35:57,389 --> 02:35:54,970
appear to be graced with exceptional

4069
02:35:59,900 --> 02:35:57,399
abilities and you know be great to get

4070
02:36:02,820 --> 02:35:59,910
the scientific community to acknowledge

4071
02:36:05,310 --> 02:36:02,830
this emerging field of scientific

4072
02:36:07,080 --> 02:36:05,320
research instead of just dismissing it

4073
02:36:09,270 --> 02:36:07,090
out of hand I know Dean Radin is just

4074
02:36:10,740 --> 02:36:09,280
well he's almost bald now that's because

4075
02:36:13,469 --> 02:36:10,750
he's been pulling his hair out for so

4076
02:36:15,719 --> 02:36:13,479
many years trying to gain the level of

4077
02:36:17,820 --> 02:36:15,729
respect that I think is due him and

4078
02:36:19,679 --> 02:36:17,830
people like grouper Sheldrake and and

4079
02:36:21,510 --> 02:36:19,689
others that have done an amazing amount

4080
02:36:24,750 --> 02:36:21,520
of work in this field and it's I think

4081
02:36:26,910 --> 02:36:24,760
the unsung heroes and it'd be great if

4082
02:36:29,760 --> 02:36:26,920
you could get Rupert Sheldrake or Dean

4083
02:36:32,190 --> 02:36:29,770
Radin to to sit down and maybe have an

4084
02:36:33,780 --> 02:36:32,200
interview I think that would be that

4085
02:36:35,130 --> 02:36:33,790
would be a real coup for you well

4086
02:36:36,530 --> 02:36:35,140
absolutely and you know it's the

4087
02:36:38,639 --> 02:36:36,540
research of those kinds of individuals

4088
02:36:39,990 --> 02:36:38,649
you know that I would hope to be able to

4089
02:36:41,190 --> 02:36:40,000
incorporate in this sort of thing and

4090
02:36:43,920 --> 02:36:41,200
like you said you know bringing

4091
02:36:45,570 --> 02:36:43,930
awareness not so much that it's like we

4092
02:36:47,250 --> 02:36:45,580
have knowledge and we just want people

4093
02:36:48,810 --> 02:36:47,260
pay attention to it please all you

4094
02:36:51,090 --> 02:36:48,820
academics come see the good work we've

4095
02:36:52,350 --> 02:36:51,100
done it's more a sense of looking at

4096
02:36:53,120 --> 02:36:52,360
what I've tried to outline throughout

4097
02:36:55,170 --> 02:36:53,130
the course of our conversation

4098
02:36:57,000 --> 02:36:55,180
conversations are always enjoyed so

4099
02:36:58,620 --> 02:36:57,010
great always being able to talk Chris

4100
02:37:00,510 --> 02:36:58,630
with you and Jean but you know I have to

4101
02:37:02,100 --> 02:37:00,520
say that if there was the central crux

4102
02:37:03,719 --> 02:37:02,110
to all this even more so than the UFO

4103
02:37:06,780 --> 02:37:03,729
singularity it is that we should plan

4104
02:37:09,030 --> 02:37:06,790
ourselves in that that rationale and yet

4105
02:37:10,710 --> 02:37:09,040
at times also radical Center and let's

4106
02:37:12,580 --> 02:37:10,720
not go in with a presupposition of

4107
02:37:13,950 --> 02:37:12,590
belief or disbelief and

4108
02:37:16,330 --> 02:37:13,960
what I'd love to see is the sciences

4109
02:37:17,889 --> 02:37:16,340
approaching this sort of subject matter

4110
02:37:19,660 --> 02:37:17,899
with a little more of that you know at

4111
02:37:21,510 --> 02:37:19,670
the paradigm symposium event that uh I

4112
02:37:24,429 --> 02:37:21,520
put on with my pal Scotty Roberts in

4113
02:37:26,320 --> 02:37:24,439
Minneapolis back this past October that

4114
02:37:28,599 --> 02:37:26,330
emerged as a primary theme we had a

4115
02:37:29,889 --> 02:37:28,609
journalist from skeptical inquirer that

4116
02:37:31,000 --> 02:37:29,899
came out to cover the event I'm sure he

4117
02:37:32,380 --> 02:37:31,010
came out thinking he was going to be

4118
02:37:34,150 --> 02:37:32,390
laughing at all these people because you

4119
02:37:35,740 --> 02:37:34,160
know Erich von däniken and a lot of the

4120
02:37:37,420 --> 02:37:35,750
ancient aliens guys were there the late

4121
02:37:40,000 --> 02:37:37,430
Philip coffins of course was there with

4122
02:37:41,560 --> 02:37:40,010
us as well he left and before he did he

4123
02:37:43,960 --> 02:37:41,570
spoke with Scotty and I and said you

4124
02:37:47,410 --> 02:37:43,970
know what was fantastic about this event

4125
02:37:48,580 --> 02:37:47,420
is that we saw a seer desire for people

4126
02:37:49,540 --> 02:37:48,590
that were academics that were there and

4127
02:37:51,010 --> 02:37:49,550
then there were also people who are

4128
02:37:52,300 --> 02:37:51,020
ancient alien theorists and all this and

4129
02:37:54,670 --> 02:37:52,310
there seemed to be a sincere desire

4130
02:37:57,790 --> 02:37:54,680
among all of them to try and bridge that

4131
02:37:58,870 --> 02:37:57,800
gap between the two perspectives and and

4132
02:38:00,670 --> 02:37:58,880
I think that's what we really need to do

4133
02:38:02,200 --> 02:38:00,680
let's find a logical center and let's

4134
02:38:04,240 --> 02:38:02,210
root ourselves there and let's bring

4135
02:38:06,250 --> 02:38:04,250
this together in the spirit of entry and

4136
02:38:08,200 --> 02:38:06,260
providing knowledge we refined more of

4137
02:38:11,440 --> 02:38:08,210
your information Micah Hanks of course

4138
02:38:13,900 --> 02:38:11,450
the website is triple wgr alae in

4139
02:38:15,280 --> 02:38:13,910
report.com that's the graylien report

4140
02:38:16,870 --> 02:38:15,290
I've got a podcast it goes up on the

4141
02:38:18,429 --> 02:38:16,880
website just as well the new book is the

4142
02:38:21,280 --> 02:38:18,439
UFO singularity available in bookstores

4143
02:38:23,620 --> 02:38:21,290
everywhere and on amazon.com you can

4144
02:38:25,000 --> 02:38:23,630
find us at the Peres cast calm the dogs

4145
02:38:27,280 --> 02:38:25,010
are not going to be there but we're

4146
02:38:28,900 --> 02:38:27,290
gonna be there and we've got of course a

4147
02:38:31,480 --> 02:38:28,910
lot more excitement coming next week and

4148
02:38:34,750 --> 02:38:31,490
by the way we are on Twitter send us a

4149
02:38:36,880 --> 02:38:34,760
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4150
02:38:39,550 --> 02:38:36,890
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4151
02:38:42,639 --> 02:38:39,560
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4152
02:38:44,710 --> 02:38:42,649
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4153
02:38:52,580 --> 02:38:44,720
Micah Hanks thanks for joining us this

4154
02:38:58,579 --> 02:38:55,059
[Music]

4155
02:39:01,609 --> 02:38:58,589
the para cast featuring Jean Steinberg

4156
02:39:04,449 --> 02:39:01,619
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

4157
02:39:08,389 --> 02:39:04,459
presentation of making the impossible